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    This is the martyr they’ve been waiting for.

    Stephen Miller especially: “It is a vast domestic terror movement,” said Miller, speaking of left-wing political organizations. “With God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people,” he added. “It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie’s name.”

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      The Nazis did the exact same thing, so the only surprising thing is that it took so long. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they had Kirk killed for this purpose.

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          Second half of the comment aside, dude did continue and expand drone strikes, which probably does make him eligible for “war criminal” status lol

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            I can’t name a single US president who has not been eligible for “war criminal” status. Not that that makes what Obama did okay, just clarifying that his actions weren’t uniquely egregious. If I were him, my defense would be that we were gonna engage in those strikes either way, but this way American lives were not on the line. In that case, expanding drone strikes could be painted as good in a lot of people’s minds.

            Maybe the best person to have ever been president was Carter, and he still continued to enable a genocide of East Timor by Indonesia.

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              William Henry Harrison was only president March 4, 1841 – April 4, 1841 (31 days). While he was a slave owner, he MIGHT not be a war criminal.

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                I’m glad to see you can speak your mind on a remote community without fear of Dessalines coming by to slap you for wrongthink.

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                  Lol in all honesty: never met anyone doing that on this instance. Not to say it never has happened, I just may have never been a big enough fish.

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    Obama’s reluctance to criticize a fellow member of the Presidents club has really highlighted Obama’s known flaws as a centrist Neo-Liberal leader, as well as the dangers of centrism in general.

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        The fundamental problem with Obama was that he took office in a transformative moment for the country, with an enormous public mandate to rewrite how our economy and our legal system functioned. The US Treasury owned 1/3rd of the private banking system outright.

        There was an enormous demand for sweeping reforms in the health care, real estate, and education sectors. Union momentum was building for the first time in decades. DC Statehood was on the table. The SCOTUS was in play. A new era of civil rights legislation was possible. We had trillions going to a couple of stupid, pointless wars that we could claw back. The tech sector was ripe for economic growth in a period of surging unemployment in a way that would guarantee everyone more money for fewer working hours. Sky high gas prices made a Green New Deal a real possibility.

        He fucking pooched it. Practically all of it. We got a few tepid financial regulations, a marginal expansion of Medicaid, billions in loan forgiveness on trillions in debt, and a pat on the head.

        Now that window has fully slammed shut. A new window is open, but it’s open to a future of fascist police violence, decimation of the administrative state, a permanent indentured servant class, apartheid, genocide, and a third world war. Trump isn’t flinching. He’s going for all of it and his party is throwing their full weight behind him.

        Now that its the reactionary turn of the wheel and all the worst people are getting to make decisions, do I wish a non-fascist was in charge of the country? Yeah, okay, sure. But I also envy my conservative neighbors in that they appear to have a party that’s putting all the shit they wrote down on paper into action. Project 2025 isn’t just smoke blown up the assholes of the rub base. The modern GOP is here to deliver.

        Maybe if Obama’d been less of a Truman and more of an FDR we wouldn’t fucking be in this mess to begin with.

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          Even with FDR, he essentially gave the group that attempted a coupé/assassination a slap on the wrist rather than what they should have gotten. What does that have to do with this conversation? Any time some group or party does something heinous in this country they are given a pass to “maintain unity” or whatever going back to the civil war which just enables more of their bull shit.

          I can understand if a person is against the death penalty for any reason. I’m mostly against it myself. However, at the barest minimum those who were part of the Confederacy should have been barred from holding public office of any kind or participating in anything that would influence public policy beyond maybe their right to vote

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          There’s a lot of valid criticisms here but you need to remember that he had to fight tooth and nail for everything he managed to do. The D majority in congress was a rounding error with DINOs on their side of the aisle. If he didn’t concede constantly he wouldn’t have accomplished anything. Even if he really did want to make the sweeping changes we all hoped he would, he didn’t have the congressional mandate even if he had the popular one.

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          Obama lead us out the Great Recession with a pretty good economy by the time he handed the country over to Trump who spent four years trashing everything he had done.

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            Obama lead us out the Great Recession

            He presided as we left the Great Recession, under a policy of Keynesianism both he and Bush Jr had embraced.

            He didn’t lead shit. He did what his handlers told him to do and looked pretty on TV.

            The real economic vision of the Obama administration was not meaningfully distinct from Bush in '01 or Trump in '20. Bail out the plutocrats. Let debt collectors feast on everyone else.

            Trump who spent four years trashing everything

            We dipped back into recession in '14 and flirted with recession in '16. Trump took a bad situation and made it worse. But Obama never actually fixed anything.

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              There wasn’t a recession in 2014 there was one quarter of contraction in the first quarter of 2014 but a recession is defined as a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.