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    I was just arguing with my mom about this and she said it’s good people are losing the benefits because she knows people don’t need SNAP, despite needing them herself.

    She then went on to name a few people who receive $800 for their 5 kids and simply sell the card to someone else to get cash for drugs and ask me how to solve that problem.

    Reporting the abuse it wasn’t an option.

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      perhaps worth pointing out too… focusing on the minimal abuse as a reason the whole program should be cut is very american. i think the rest of the world the attitude is much more that a thing is necessary and abuse is a cost of doing business (like shoplifting: just because there’s some shoplifting doesn’t mean you close the whole store)… it’s very much nobody “undeserving” should get rewarded before people need help

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          had to search for that :p yeah aye - we had the same in aus (called jobkeeper)… our conservatives introduced it, and it was hugely successful at keeping people employed but also massively abused by big companies

          https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/09/03/jobkeeper-rorts

          i think this quote pretty accurately describes it

          JobKeeper is both the largest rort in Australian history and the most successful job saver

          overall there were some reports written about it after the fact: lessons learned etc, but i think people don’t really blame the conservatives for the abuse… it was a programme that was quickly conceived of, and implemented very fast and it achieved a very important purpose. was it wasteful? sure… was it or something like it necessary? also very much yes

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      Yeah that sounds about like the line of reasoning I’d expect from conservatives in my family. The problem is that you gave them something at all. They made you a sucker. Stop helping people. etc.

      They’d just terminate the thought there, and not move on to wonder if it could it be some other problem the system could help them with other than today’s cart of groceries. My goodness, they might accidentally save a life and not even know it!

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      Yeah so Vance’s wife did that in a video too. She sending out morse code or is it a tactic to try to look serious. Idk. It’s weird.

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    GOP strategist tells Americans about to lose food assistance to make ‘better choices’

    Like voting.

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      Yeah, but you often find the people who need the help are least inclined to vote for it.

      I remember a story from a few years ago, some article about poverty. A disabled guy from Liverpool, unable to work, his 12 year old daughter was having to collect from the food bank for him, no heating. “I voted for the Conservatives, I just think they’re best for the country”, he said, presumably while applying his clown make-up.

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    Yeah like choose to find places that will hire you rather than ones that say they went with someone else. Duh.

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    ‘ years later, shifted to the Republican Party and to becoming a strong supporter of Trump.’

    Lindy Li was a part of Harris’s campaign. Within the time period of them losing the election -> the inauguration she was already a part of Trumps team.

    She has zero credibility and is just a token former Democrat for the GOP to parade around. Disgusting.

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      This is basically politics. She knew that republicans could win. So she jumped ship. At the end it’s the fault of the voters.

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      I mean, that’s a very good demonstration on the common values of these supposedly different groups. Their class solidarity is strong.

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        No, it’s a good demonstration on their common lack of values. They have no class solidarity and will turn on anyone who has helped them in the past if they think they’ll get ahead.

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          Dude, you can’t be satisfied by bites of moral superiority, it isn’t useful to you. Class solidarity doesn’t mean that they have solidarity with you because they strive for unity or whatever, it means that they have solidarity with people in the same socioeconomic class as themselves. Yes, they are self-interested and they exclude people who are not in their class from positions of power within the state. They correctly identify that most Americans have been neglected functional knowledge on how their system works – both literally as in the state and philosophically/sociologically as in how ideas work and why certain people subscribe to certain values – and make use of a “two-party” system to occlude their common interest in capital and hegemony. Democrats and Republicans do not differ on fundamental principles of how society should work, and they share those principles with anyone alive who hoards wealth because they all are in a class that is constructed through wealth hoarding, that’s the solidarity.

          That someone can work for either party without missing a step demonstrates that there is not a fundamental difference between the two in a very funny way.

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    Another clueless twat who thinks those decisions can be anything other than starvation.

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    "He’s starving the handouts for millions of illegal aliens; why are we putting them first when we have so many Americans – millions of Americans – suffering on the streets? Why are we prioritizing illegals? That is a question that Democrats need to answer.”

    Erm…you aren’t helping the Americans either lady

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    Yep. Make better choices at the ballot box. Unimpressed with your options in the ballot box? Make better choices in the primaries.

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        We really need multiple systems built out to inform people of when votes are happening that way there are no excuses and to make sure people get them

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      You think that people who use public assistance will be allowed to vote? Really?

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        Of course they will, so long as they stay voting for the GOP. The uneducated are one of their strongest voting blocs

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    I see lots of people on Lemmy without much compassion for the people on the other team. I don’t see how both teams lacking compassion will fix this shit stain of a situation.

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        Food ought to be a human right and that extends to people who voted for an administration that’s trying to make that worse than it already is.

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          If you’re defining compassion as believing everyone has the same human rights then I’ve got loads of it. The problem with the folks you’re talking about is that they don’t believe the same. Whether or not they deserve what they get or get what they deserve is out of scope for my definition of compassion.

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          Food is a human right. I still have no compassion for people who would rather see me starving or dead…

          I can hold no compassion for people and still agree that they deserve to live. I’m not callous.

          Let me say it louder for the people that need to hear it.

          Everyone gets a plate but not everyone will have a place at the table.

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          I’m empathetic about their plight, but I feel no compassion. I’m sure the assholes who voted for the leopard and then got bit by the leopard are in a shitty situation. I hope things work out for them. I hope they don’t suffer too much, but I won’t lift a finger to help them.

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            I’d say I’m almost the opposite as you? I guess not really.

            I hope they do get bit, I hope it kinda sucks, but I absolutely will lift a finger to help them.