Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
National pride was also pretty high when the United States was going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade, and selling out future generations’ natural legacy surely won’t have negative consequences. You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class and saying it’s prosperity. Well, yes, of a sort.
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
selling out future generations’ natural legacy
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
US - 3,596 deaths per million with a population size of 335 million.
Mexico - 2,605 deaths per million with a population size of 130 million.
China - 85 deaths per million with a population size of 1.42 billion, 4x times the US, which should’ve been harder to administrate or manage, but they did it efficiently anyway.
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
US - 20,000± people - rate of 5.7 due to its population size.
Mexico - 30,000± people - rate of 24.85.
China - 7,157 people - rate of 0.502, incredibly impressive for a country 4x times the size in population.
UK - 684 people - rate of 1.14.
Canada - 874 people - rate of 2.27.
My favorite, this one always makes Americans go “no way that’s true. But the way they treat gays over there!!!”
Saudi Arabia - 285 people - rate of 0.795.
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
South Africa - 63.0
Brazil - 51.6
Zimbabwe - 50.3
Mexico - 43.5
US - 41.8
China - 35.7
UK - 32.4
Japan - 32.3
Sweden - 31.6
Iraq, bro - 29.8
Norway - 26.9
United Arab Emirates - 26.4
India - 25.5
Slovakia, the lowest, most “communist one” as Americans say - 24.1
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
Iran 1953 - CIA + MI6 overthrew Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized oil.
Guatemala 1954 - CIA toppled President Jacobo Árbenz after he pushed land reforms that were hated by U.S. corporations (United Fruit Company).
Congo 1960 - The U.S. indirectly supported the removal and 86 of Patrice Lumumba and backed Mobutu’s dictatorship.
South Vietnam 1963 - CIA green-lit the coup that ousted and 86 Ngo Dinh Diem.
Brazil 1964 - CIA supported the right-wing military junta that removed President João Goulart.
Chile 1970 - CIA spent millions trying to block Allende’s election, then supported the military coup that put Pinochet in power.
Nicaragua 1980 - U.S. illegally funded the Contras to destabilize the Sandinista government.
Afghanistan 1979 - U.S. funded and armed the mujahideen to bleed the Soviets, destabilizing the region for decades (and indirectly creating conditions for the Taliban).
Iraq 2003 - Full-scale invasion removing Saddam Hussein, plunging country into chaos and sectarian war.
Lybia 2011 - NATO intervention helped topple Gaddafi, leading to civil war, militias, and slave markets.
Honduras 2009 - Not a CIA coup, but U.S. tacitly supported the military-backed ouster of President Zelaya by legitimizing the new government.
Syria 2011 - CIA’s “Timber Sycamore” program armed various rebel factions, worsening the civil war.
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon… SO, I’m doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that’s over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won’t matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don’t change.
I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.
China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t
Just because the Chinese call the Koreans 韩国 doesn’t mean you should lol. I think it’s rather insulting to group the whole of East Asia as incorporated into the Chinese Sports. Sounds a bit like whole Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere of the '30s and '40s.
And by copy i meant the liberalisation of the farmers to profit from their land, then moving into factories in industries that were competitive for export and finally playing venture capitalist.
If Voltaire were alive today he’d laugh at the term CCP
Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
You’re talking like terrible work culture and exploitative working conditions don’t exist in America.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
And almost half of America approves of trump, what’s your point?
Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
Ask them what happens if you don’t approve of the government in China.
This is a laughable comment… Who are you trying to fool?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
Welp. If no one’s gonna ban this one, I’m gonna block him lol
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade, and selling out future generations’ natural legacy surely won’t have negative consequences. You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class and saying it’s prosperity. Well, yes, of a sort.
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
I’m so glad the wage slave who made this graphic for Poo Bear survived the nets.
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon… SO, I’m doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that’s over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won’t matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don’t change.
What. Who has time to read your manifesto breh
we all know why people don’t choose how they feel in a dictatorship
Surely you know better than the University of California, Pew Research and the Ash Institute, buddy
Source so that you can get educated if you want
To be fair, they just copied the Japanese, south Koreans and Taiwanese
I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.
China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t
Just because the Chinese call the Koreans 韩国 doesn’t mean you should lol. I think it’s rather insulting to group the whole of East Asia as incorporated into the Chinese Sports. Sounds a bit like whole Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere of the '30s and '40s.
And by copy i meant the liberalisation of the farmers to profit from their land, then moving into factories in industries that were competitive for export and finally playing venture capitalist.
If Voltaire were alive today he’d laugh at the term CCP