• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Silver lining: it’s gonna get bad enough we can start nationalizing shit as early as 2029 like FDR did after the great depression.

    If a candidate said:

    There should be no utilities monoplies by for profit companies

    Fucking 99.99% of voters would listen to anything else they had to say.

    There’s so many things that need fixed that everyone agrees on, we just haven’t had a candidate free of corporate influence.

    But the next Dem primary is a better shot than we’ve ever had. We just need to make sure as many people as possible vote in the primary.

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      7 hours ago

      Fucking 99.99% of voters would listen to anything else they had to say.

      After electing the orange pedo menace TWICE into office, I sincerely doubt this

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        7 hours ago

        Yeah, they’re really not taking into consideration how effective the propaganda has been over the past 10 years or so. It’s frightening that you literally cannot convince people with facts and logic at this point, and it truly feels unwinnable.

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        7 hours ago

        Huh?

        A big reason trump got so many votes is he lied about draining the swamp and his voters are dumb enough to believe him.

        They can be dumb and believe someone who means it when they say it.

        Like, you’re making a valid point, then reaching the literal opposite conclusion that logic should take us too

        We can’t afford to be that shortsighted, think stuff thru.

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          6 hours ago

          hmmm Trump is most deeply unpopular for doing the things he said he’d do… forced deportations, ICE, etc

          The entire Project 2025 was out and morons still voted the pedo in…

          I’m sorry but there may be smart Americans out there but, and a population, Americans are basically a blob of idiotic sociopaths

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            I’m sorry but there may be smart Americans out there but, and a population, Americans are basically a blob of idiotic sociopaths

            You’re missing the point…

            Even with the dumbest audience possible, if two people are trying to convince the audience a charismatic liar can win if their opponent is also lying or has no charisma.

            But no matter how charismatic or how good of a liar. It’s really fucking hard to beat someone with average charisma who doesn’t need to lie about wanting to help people

            Look at Mamdani, I love the guy.

            But people act like he’s dripping charisma just because he’s compared to Eric Adams.

            He’s not that charismatic, watch his interviews with Mero, he’s a nerd from the Bronx.

            It’s just an honest person that wants to help doesn’t need a lot of charisma, cuz they’re not selling lies

            The day Mamdani won the primary, the current chair of the DNC came out saying all this too, and saying that’s what we need as a dem.presidential candidate in 2028.

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

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              6 hours ago

              hmmm I am still skeptical.

              I believe the only reason Mamdani won (and I am happy he did) is because trump went off the rails immediately after getting voted in. It literally took democracy to basically collapse and people to literally die on the streets for some groups to wake up

              Had Mamdani ran a few years back, even during trump’s first gov and the ingrained racism in American society would have kept him way out

              Don’t get me wrong, at the end of the day I hope you are correct and I am wrong as you are presenting a reasonable path for improvement. I am just too jaded now to believe there is such a thing as common sense

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                5 hours ago

                It literally took democracy to basically collapse and people to literally die on the streets for some groups to wake up

                For you…

                It took demographicsyou identify with experiencing those things for you to notice groups waking up.

                But different demographics have been thru this for generations, and various groups have been waking up to it for just as long

                So congrats for joining us. Just try to remember you’re not the first, and you hopefully won’t be the last. Look around and realize that as you come up with “new” ideas, some people been in this so long they learned it from their grandfather before they learned how to ride a bike.

                That’s a good thing for you. You don’t have to start from scratch.

                Just open your eyes some more, stay woke, don’t get mad your not a leader and quit.

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                  3 hours ago

                  For you…

                  I am not claiming nobody noticed… I am saying the overall voting population of the USA did not.

                  Sure there have been people sounding bells of this collapse for a while but nobody listened and the USA voted a pedophile into office for a second term.

                  If SOME people noticed earlier, well that’s great, but at the end of the day the dumb masses drove the country off the cliff

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                    2 hours ago

                    but at the end of the day the dumb masses drove the country off the cliff

                    You still don’t understand.

                    But unfortunately repeati g my advice is unlikely to help regardless of if I do it now or a month from now if we run into each other again.

                    Nothing personal, I just don’t wanna go thru this again later if I know how it’ll end.