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      “In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!”

      Edit: everyone below me is proving my point exactly.

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        People love to repeat this, but US companies aren’t coming from a place of hostile intent like china’s special brand of tik tok for the states.

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          I’m not so sure about that, they seem pretty hostile to consumers and employees.

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          They’re both focused on profit. The only reason you see the other one as scary is because it’s owned by the scary scary Chinese. Red scare all over again.

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            No tiktok is not focused on profit. It literally has one of the worst/non existent monetization systems.

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              Because the USA strong armed them into giving their platform handling to Oracle Corp, a top tier US govt contractor.

              But since pro-palestine cries can’t be silenced on TikTok as easily as Zio media, taking control of the platform is no longer enough

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            You say “red scare” as if China isn’t a hostile nation state to the US. Go look at western company penetration in China if you want. Are you calling it “western scare” when China blocks yet another western company? I didn’t think so.

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        It’s not in American businesses best interest overthrow a government. Can’t say the same for the CCP tho. Fuck the CCP.

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            Wow, that is literally 1 example of an obscure time in the early 19th century.

            A mass majority of an American company has zero interest to hurt the community it is based in. The stability of a government and the strength of it’s community determines if people would buy/use a product. It also supplies a competent workforce and a network of security that helps a company prosper.

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      I use TikTok routinely. I actually spend time on Chinese parts of TikTok, because I know a little Chinese. I’ve seen content that the CCP would be very much opposed to - including discussions of the Tank Man from Tiananmen Square and homosexuality in Chinese history.

      TikTok has censorship certainly, but it’s more targeted towards the Gaza conflict.

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        I use TikTok routinely.

        Your experience is different from other experience. That’s the main issue. They are and can target specific people in specific groups and in specific regions. You seeing this content just means you’re not important enough for them to target.

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          As can/do Facebook and every other social media platform. But I find it hard to take this idea that TikTok is an arm of the CCP seriously when I routinely discuss Ughyur Muslims and Tiananmen square with folks, and see depictions of Chairman Mao as Pooh Bear.

          The more shady shit is the shop and how every third video is an unlabeled ad. TikTok wants to make money first and foremost. I don’t think TikTok is some force for good in the world, but what they are doing is no different from what Meta and Google are doing.

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            Tiktok has one of the worse/non existent monetization programs. Its clearly not important to them how bad it is.

            My extended family in Taiwan would routinely see fake news on Tiktok during the Taiwan elections.

            That’s the thing. You don’t know. Nobody knows except the CCP. That’s the problem.

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              That’s the thing. You don’t know. Nobody knows except the CCP. That’s the problem.

              But you do about every other social media platform?

              Fake news is not exclusive to a single platform. Teach your family about reputable news sources and stop trying to shoehorn US propaganda down everyone’s throats like it makes you look smart. Tiktok learned everything it does by the likes of facebook, Google and Twitter.

              Why do you think US social media is everywhere all over the world with near instant or sometimes even get higher bandwidth preference in some countries? If you don’t think the US government has nothing to do with the level of complexities that entails dealing with local governments/infrastructure and planning, then I guess “ignorance is a bliss”, and I hope the US government will bring you peace and much freedumb. Don’t complain when they come in blasting tho.

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                It’s one thing to have fake news that is uncontrolled. It’s another thing when a literal adversary uses fake news as a tool to create discourse.

                A social media company has one thing in mind. Profits. Even if it means that a byproduct of profits is discourse. But TikTok sole purpose is discourse. They literally don’t care about profits.