• Derpgon@programming.dev
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    6 days ago

    Also labor price is unmatched. Nobody would work for the wage they give to children in China, so you can’t really go that much cheaper while not sacrificing safety.

    Not saying Chinese cars are that well made.

    • Flagg76@lemmy.world
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      Very few children work in china right now, Chinese workers even have 5 days of vacation a year by law.

      That’s 5 more than the US…

      There were probably more children working on farms in the US than in china, and I remember something about Florida wanting to reinstate child labour again?

      • fergrg@discuss.tchncs.de
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        Yes, there may not be child labor. But in places we cannot see, there are still black industry chains. A brick factory was exposed some time ago. They let some people with low IQ or disabilities work. They were not given masks, and the air was full of dust. They may work more than ten hours a day or even more. What is the difference between this and slavery? I just want to give this example to illustrate that there are still many black-hearted factories in society, and there is also the possibility of employing child labor. In China, young people who have not studied will choose to work in factories, but they must be at least 16 years old. If they are younger, they will not be hired. Back to the issue of BYD, although we are proud that it can be recognized by the world as a Chinese brand, and many people in China also buy it. But recently there have been some news that they blindly work overtime within the company, and have meetings after get off work, etc. Someone exposed the chat records within the company. We are all ordinary people. We just want to fight for our rights. Even if it is a big company, as long as it exploits people, we must oppose it.

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          4 days ago

          Yes but they are trying to better themselves, it’s a slow process, but there is progress. And they came a long way since the 70’s.

          Countries like America are going backwards. At this rate the USA is a worse country for the working class than China in 20 years, if not already.

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            13 hours ago

            We still have a question, why do we work so hard when we have achieved what we have now? We envy people in Europe, who have easy work. Every time we take a holiday, we have to make up for it with more working days. You often say that Chinese people are hardworking, but the younger generation does not want to suffer unnecessary hardships. We realize that we come to this world to enjoy life, not to spend the best decades of our lives working.

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              I think it’s about being content with what you have. Not always wanting more and bigger and better. I have a comfortable salary, nothing too much, loads of people earn way more, but i can pay my mortgage and all other costs, don’t have to worry about losing my job. And still have enough money left to spend on nice things.

              I don’t have to save up loads of money for medical bills or other unfortunate events. I can just easily live my life.

              That having said I’m still fed up with the daily grind, so I’m selling the house now to retire early somewhere in Spain or Italy, hopefully going off grid somewhere in the mountains enjoying peace and quiet and nature, embracing my inner hermit.

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            I agree with this. No country has ever been like China, which has grown from the founding of the People’s Republic of China in 1949 to the world’s second largest economy. This is all the joint efforts of the people and the government. But we are not like our parents’ generation, who were satisfied even with low salaries, and always had a smile on their faces, often saying that they were working to build a new China. We are in our twenties now, but our bodies are already in our thirties or forties. We stay up late every day and have to work overtime, and we don’t like working. We refuse to work overtime for any reason, work in bad weather, and give ourselves very low salaries. This is not for the motherland but for the capitalists who seek personal gain.

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          5 days ago

          But recently there have been some news that they blindly work overtime within the company, and have meetings after get off work, etc.

          Lol, managers are Tesla are contracted for 80hr work weeks…

          Even if it is a big company, as long as it exploits people, we must oppose it.

          Agreed! Fuck em all!

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      6 days ago

      They’re being pretty ruthless about grabbing all the world’s resources to make them as well.

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        No the rest of the world has been sleeping when China silently bought all the mines and harbors in the past decades.

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          If our CEOs and business leaders are supposedly the world’s best, why didn’t they spent their capital shutting China down instead of their lavish lifestyles and payouts for their wealthy stockholders? I guess they aren’t as good at running businesses as they claim to be.

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            5 days ago

            When the only goal by law is maximize profits, the motivation tends to favor minimizing cost. Change the rules, and enforce a new set of values. Only then will the situation improve.

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              That and the fact that these people aren’t patriots. They’re looters. They don’t believe in America per se. They believe in the economic system that advantages them and disadvantages others. It’s just that simple. America is no longer a land of opportunity. Perpetual poverty is their goal. Keeping people down is the point.

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                  4 hours ago

                  The MAGA base even admits as much. They say if we change the tax system, the wealthy will just leave. Capitalism is purely about profit and patriotism and national unity are only useful insofar as being a tool to ensure the money keeps flowing in.

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          5 days ago

          China is performing a new colonialism. Exploiting poor countries for their cheap resources.

          While the rest of the world is trying to steer away from it because it is so horrible. So please, don’t praise China for it.

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            You don’t understand colonialism much. They aren’t taking anything by force like the rest of the west did for centuries.

            They are doing business, there is a difference.

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      6 days ago

      That’s true, but we could subsidize the cost of labor too. People make a living wage, but the company pays less than that because government covers the difference.

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      6 days ago

      China has compulsory education for children just like America. There’s no child labor in China.

      They pay adult workers less in China, but these yuan has 7x buying power than the dollar in China

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        That’s what Chinese propagandists want you to think, there are way more people living in (borderline) poverty (per capita) than in the US.

        Social media is being fed with a slice of mainland China, but anything beyond that is people struggling to keep ends meet.