“I think it’s going to require a little bit less navel-gazing and a little less whining and being in fetal positions. And it’s going to require Democrats to just toughen up,” Obama said at the fundraiser

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      If that’s your biggest gripe I’d say it isn’t that bad.

      People usually bring up the increase in drone strikes on Obama not realizing he was taking steps to prevent American soldier’s death.

      He tried to get healthcare, changed his stance on gay marriage and stuck to it.

      Obama was fine. I’d even argue good compared to his contemporaries.

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        He was drone striking in Yemen and Pakistan, he wasn’t replacing soldiers killing people, drone strikes were a way to kill extra people in places where he couldn’t send soldiers.

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          No drone strikes were a method of war that greatly reduces your rate of casualties.

          I’m so serious man think about what you’re saying and tell me it isn’t a Republican talking point. You think Obama is just flying these drones himself? Scouting the missions himself? Calling up a general and asking if they can swing by and drone strike some folks?

          There’s a whole military apparatus that transcends presidencies and the public/private sector divide of our system.

          It was because the tech evolved and the military missions looked different. Go play modern warfare and go look at Ukraine, the technology changed and so did the culture of war.

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        the supreme court justice that got rid of abortion, birthright citizenship, and giving trump everything he wants isn’t that bad?!

        american soldiers aren’t the only lives; “collatoral damage” are lives too but it’s worse than that because they’re killed at things like a wedding party instead of a war zone.

        a pair of senators opposed so they stopped healthcare again (it only took one senator last time) whereas an eightfold number of senators and house members were steamrolled over by the republican’s agenda in the big beautiful bill.

        he’s also still the “deporter in chief” even with alligator alcatraz being a thing and unaccompanied migrant children was his doj’s favorite group to target.

        there’s also the crackdown on whistleblowers; maidan coup; the new egyption military dictatorship; destabilizing libya; disregarding isis; and on and on and on…

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          No. A president not being a power grabbing shit fuck and stuffing the bench isn’t that bad. You’re mad at Obama because he didn’t cheat? That’s not it.

          American soldiers aren’t the only lives. But again you’re not being realistic. Obama does not sit there and control every single thing. He’s in meeting with experts feeding him advice, numbers and cost. If I told you this mission risks 0 American lives, this one risks dozens. You’re literally making the wrong choice risking your soldiers both politically and morally. The why to the fighting is a whole different question that I think is immature to put on Obama solely.

          Again, you’re angry someone didn’t play dirty. Obama was doing what he could to represent a fair decent president so we don’t have a Trump and people like you embracing these stupid talking points are what helped bring us here because now people genuinely believe Obama is just as bad as Bush or Trump so what’s the difference, why vote, who cares. And that above all is literally the stupidest ever.

          Deporter in chief? Please. He didn’t have masked dudes kidnapping Americans and deporting them to God knows where, ICE didn’t have the budget it has now, people weren’t being bussed to other parts of the country or flown places and used as political pawns cause brown people scary or something.

          Was the dude perfect? NO. Would I vote for him again? Maybe in the right election. Are you guys being so drastic in your criticism you’re allowing no room for actually seeing the situation clearly? Yes, you’re being absolutely obtuse and obnoxious.