Charlie Kirk’s murder is a shock to me and prior to that I really have not thought about him for months (he apparently shared a stage with Hassan piker), of course the south Park parody.

I have ran into a few of Kirk’s supporters and apparently his legacy is his family and his apparently endless college debates that get rephrased as “debated an entire generation” and governors.

To me, it seems like Kirk was just a content creator.

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    I feel like comparing a person who was just right wing to someone so disgusting and reprehensible is disingenuous and waters down have vile the Nazi regime was

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      Most Nazis were “regular people” until the opportunity came for them to commit atrocities.

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          Most Nazis were “regular people” “just right wing” until the opportunity came for them to commit atrocities.

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            The nazi party was far right authortarians, not just simply right wing, to say they were just right wing is disingenuous

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              Are you saying the Republican party and their mouthpieces are not far right authoritarians?

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          I know. You’re excusing him but I’m telling you that even people you would consider to be better than Kirk ended up as Nazis when the opportunity arose.

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            Ok I appreciate the idea some political act alot more moderate then there actually beliefs like, that does happen alot when politicians stray the centrist line

            I just don’t think its fair to compare charlie to Himmler over the idea that Charlie could of became extremely far right wing if he gained more power

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      I’m comfortable with the comparison. If you insist on mythologizing the Nazis as a singular historical phenomenon, you will never recognize them anywhere else. Kirk professed Christianity, while mocking and condemning empathy as “new-age” and damaging. He called for the marginalization, incarceration and even murder of trans people. He was a cheerleader for the large scale paramilitary occupations of major cities. There are many examples of Kirk not simply “having conservative opinions”, but being paid handsomely by billionaires to amplify and normalize these messages of hate. That you think of him as someone “who was just right wing” illustrates the success he had in bringing his evil views into mainstream discourse.

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        Thanks for this. I have no idea how awful he is and I have no intention search myself. They should cheer for the 22 yr old like Luigi M.

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          Looks like the shooter was also a fascist (groyper Nazi), so I’m not really cheering for him, but I am glad Charlie’s dead.

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      Many yanks think “nazi germany was worse than usa” so they can feel better, but usa is worse. The boss is always worse than the lackey.

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        I’m not american and my country doesn’t deal with much gun violence, the last time a political figure was attacked in my country was sir David amess and that man was stabbed to death by a Muslim extremist

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          That’s fine, doesn’t change the fact that America is quickly becoming as disgusting and hateful as the Nazi party of Germany. We just won’t hear about the atrocities until they are laid bare at the end, like the Nazi Party of Germany.