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  • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 hours ago

    You don’t need baseload. You need to follow the duck curve of demand.

    You had baseload because those plants used to be the cheapest one you could find. That’s not true anymore, and the model needs to shift with it.

    https://www.nrdc.org/bio/kevin-steinberger/debunking-three-myths-about-baseload

    In the past, coal and nuclear were perceived to be the cheapest resources, and the prior electricity system structure relied upon large power plants without valuing flexibility. Today, low natural gas prices, declining renewables costs, flat electricity demand due to more efficient energy use, and stronger climate and public health protections are all driving an irreversible shift in the underlying economics of the electricity industry. As a result, the term “baseload”—which historically has been used to refer to coal and nuclear plants—is no longer useful.

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      Yes if you ignore all externalities the “economics” means that you can use Natural Gas “peaking” plants instead. But one of the main advantages of nuclear power is zero green-house gas emissions.

      If fossil fuels were taxed appropriately, the economics of them wouldn’t be viable anymore. A modest tax of a $million USD per ton of CO2 would fix up that price discrepancy.

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        3 hours ago

        Most of this is being driven by renewables. Natural gas gets mentioned because its price has dropped due to fracking, but it’s not a strictly necessary part of this argument, either. Water/wind/solar solutions have undercut even the plummet in natural gas prices.

        Nuclear has no place. Nobody is building it, and it’s not because regulators are blocking it. It’s also completely unnecessary.

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          2 hours ago

          Nobody is building it

          France built the fuck out of it, 71% of their power is nuclear. Works darn well.

          it’s not because regulators are blocking it

          In the US, the over-regulation makes it horrifically expensive. Every plant is bespoke instead of mass produced, with exchangeable parts, personnel, and knowledge. Mass produce nuclear plants and the costs come way down.

          Water/wind/solar solutions have undercut even the plummet in natural gas prices.

          Wind and solar are paired with natural gas. People still want power in the winter and at night and right now that is natural gas. By opposing nuclear, you ensure it will continue to be natural gas paired with wind and solar.