I posted [link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYP8-oxq8ig&t=1s) to 1960 presidential debate on Digg with the title: “1960 presidential debate. No interruptions, no insulting, no screaming, just two gentelmen having civilized discussion.”. It got some likes but some comments are wild.

It almost looks like there are certain keywords that when their ears and brains detect, there is some trigger which causes brain areas responsible for logic and rationality to shut down.

And another thought I just had that i find interesting , is that it looks like there is plenty of white Americans, that shit on their own country because of slavery, but there is very small number of Germans that do the same because of WW2. Leftist Germans don’t hate their own country because of war attrocities, they focus their energy on stuff like LGBT, immigrant rights etc. I’m guessing it has to do with the fact that in war mainly white people were killed. Concetnration camps killed 3 million Jews and 3 million Poles. As bad as it sounds that leads to conclusion that nowadays white person has less “value” for these people, and what’s craziest it looks like that agenda is pushed by whites themselves as well.

In such moments I’m glad I was born in Poland and that Poland had nothing to do with slavery and was on the good side in world wars. We don’t have any internal guilt feelings sitting on shoulders that I’m sure is the case for some Americans or western Europeans.

  • legolasOPAEnglish
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    26 days ago

    I’m sure they look at Nazi Germany that way, but the thing is do they look at their country today like that as well? Not historically. Cause I get a feeling that a lot of white leftist Americans actually hate their country today because of the past. Do Germans hate their country in it’s current shape and form beacuse of the past or just it’s historical version?

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      26 days ago

      Cause I get a feeling that a lot of white leftist Americans actually hate their country today because of the past.

      I think most hate it because of the present. The past is just that: history that lead us to where we are right now. What folks see is kind of a caricature thanks to social media, but there’s some bad shit in the present too, including threads of slavery still running today.

      I mean, if you want a personal anecdote from the deep US South, one of my parents overheard their relative threaten to shoot my parent’s black friend for stepping foot on their property. With a shotgun. Not to their face of course; my (white) parent was young back then, so was their (black) friend, and a hallmark of the culture is public politeness. These folks were perfectly civil at face; doesn’t mean the raging racism isn’t there, and I knows its still there with some today.

      There are worse examples I’d rather not type out for other’s privacy/fear of doxxing, but let’s say that’s kind of a theme.

      Do Germans hate their country in it’s current shape and form beacuse of the past or just it’s historical version?

      I dunno. But my impression is there’s paranoia over Germany falling back to what it was. It’s fear more than ‘hate’ I’d say.

      PS: The random deletions are because Lemmy won’t let me edit posts now for some reason.