• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    22 hours ago

    It’s interesting that the US claims to be the top of the heap economically and yet much of the cutting edge science being done at the moment in fusion is coming out of Europe and China. I don’t believe the US’s contributed anything to that sector of science. It’s the same across the board, the largest particle accelerator in the world, in Europe, the largest telescope in the world, in China, the second largest been Arecibo and that was in Puerto Rico, and was so unappreciated it was allowed to rot, not exactly a glowing endorsement for US science.

    Every time this is brought up somebody always goes yeah but we’ve landed on the moon, and that’s the point really, US’s last great contribution to the world was over a generation ago and the organisation that did it is being defunded. America was one great.

    • Garbagio@lemmy.zip
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      19 hours ago

      I don’t see how that has anything to do with this. Europe having news with reach doesn’t invalidate our news just having more inherent reach. Like yes, we’re some dumbfucks currently bleeding any smart people we have left due to our fall to fascism, but given how much of the world’s most educated people have been hoarded in the US for the last 70 years, I would say that yes, that also becomes global news.

      Like, here. There is a housing market collapse in Greece right now. This is having devastating socioeconomic effects on both the people of Greece and their closest neighbors. It also is having political effects in other EU nations; I have no doubt that the AFD is using it as an anti-immigration talking point, for example. It’s a serious issue that is having some measure of demonstrable international relevance. Bro last time America had a housing collapse it caused a global recession that arguably kicked off the Arab Spring. Entire nations have sprung up and fallen based on our failures of fucking housing policy (hi South Sudan). The reach of our fuckups isn’t just international, it’s generational.

      And to be fair I hate it. I hate that our politicians can, with so much as a word, alter global military spending, or international markets, or foreign public policy. I hate that a school shooting in Bumbfuck, Kansas can alter the price of eggs in Nigeria. But you can’t dismantle that without acknowledging it. Sequestering our news, annoying though it may be, does nothing towards dismantling its international reach. Hell, if anything it does a disservice to our biggest victims; if some fuckup half the planet away from me could fuck with my ability to feed my family, you’re damn right I want to hear about it. I think we all agree that the US is too unstable, too fucking weird, to have the power that it does, and that isn’t even bringing up the morality of any nation having that power. But until the rest of the planet builds socioeconomic bonds resilient to US intervention, we’re here to stay.