So, in the US, a standalone, bare-minimum with ads included Disney+ subscription costs $9.99. Oops, actually we’re raising it to $11.99 TOMORROW! So after a paying for a year of Dinsey’s cheapest plan, you’d have paid $144.
But maybe Disney isn’t your thing? Well. Netflix costs $7.99 for the ad plan, and $17.99 for the no ads plan. But do note, even on the ad supported plan, you STILL can’t watch everything.
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Ranges $96-216 per year for ads or no ads.
Like anime? Crunchyroll offers a $7.99 plan, but it might not have all the content, so then there’s the $11.99 plan. So $96-144 per year. But their catalog doesn’t even have every fucking anime, and they’ve let dubbing go to the wayside after buying out their main competitor, Funimation (in which we lost several anime due to licensing).
Listen to music on top of that? Spotify for non-students ($5.99) costs $11.99, so $144 in a year. YT music is $10.99 for non-students, so $132
So say you listen to Spotify, like anime, and watch Netflix, you’re paying at minimum $336 per year, on the cheapest plans available, which usually have ads or missing features.
I’ve been looking at Optiplex and Lenovo ThinkCentres on ebay recently, and for my bare minimum standards of 1. Can support virtualization, 2. Can do Intel quick sync video and encode HEVC 10-bit (So about 10 year old devices) the prices range around $90-$150. Some 2TB HDDs would be about $100. You’d probably be pirating since most of the new shows on streaming services have no physical media to buy/no way of just owning a movie or TV box set. Even then, outright buying music and movies is cheaper in the long run. Anything you already own can be added to your library. You’ll never be told that “oops we didn’t pay to re-up our access to that movie, so it’s gone!” You’ll never have new ads, paywalled features, limited devices, or other bullshit. The server is up whenever you want it to be, provided you can handle being tech support.
So in the end, a home server + drives costs less than paying for several services where you own shit, and they can cut features or raise the price any day. But yes, we’re just being conceited assholes.
You know you can setup a stack for piracy in less than 10min on a $40 microcomputer or even on an old android phone. And with the right setup you can automate the downloads meaning you just search for stuff and it downloads it without effort.
Dawg even pirate stream sites don’t host on AWS and GCP, you can still watch your content for free online without worrying about a cloud outage because pirate sites actually distribute their files on several cloud platforms since they’re technically always at risk of DMCA lol.
To be fair, if they are talking about digitizing your own library, yes, it can take a lot of time. When I attempted it, each DVD took about a half hour to 45 minutes to rip. I flat out didn’t have that kind of time with the size of my collection. It is way easier, although riskier, to download.
lmao, buddy you can get a 10tb hard drive for like $200 and fit all the pirated media you want on it. that’s less money than two mainline subscriptions for a year.
the VAST majority of data hoarders are pirates. very very few actual spend fortunes on their media collections. that’s why everyone is dogpilling you. it felt like you were attacking a strawman of the average user here and they feel the need to correct you about their nature.
it’s not about pirates feeling moral or superior. it’s about you being wrong about data hoarders.
I think they were just pointing out that this is the problem with subscription services. You own nothing and you’re screwed when the service goes down.
It really doesn’t take “ludicrous amounts of time and money” to build a private library. It’s interesting how the subscription giants have managed to change people’s perceptions - when you buy content to keep, you keep some of the value, but when you subscribe you’re just getting a time pass to use someone else’s library and won’t see that money again.
They sold the proposition on convenience when everything was in one place, but now it’s all fragmented it’s a waste of money.
And of course plenty of people are building media libraries for free by sailing the seas.
@BananaTrifleViolin@dukemirage a huge proportion of the stuff people watch on Netflix/listen to on Spotify is really old media you could get second hand on CD/DVD for pennies. I mean how much is a Friends box set going for nowadays
Except it didn’t matter if Blockbuster’s headquarters had a power outage since tour physical VHS from them worked fine where ever you were. Pretty much every major web service uses AWS, so if AWS goes down, so does the Internet.
What’s even funnier are the people who spend lots of money on subscription services to own nothing. This outage just demonstrates who really owns their purchases.
It IS a scam since a lot of subscription services do not make it clear that the buyer is only granted limited access, and not ownership of the product.
Just last year, due to legal reasons, Steam placed a notice on their cart page stating that purchases only grant a license—much to the surprise of some Steam users. Steam has been around for 20+ years, and it took a piece of legislation to force the company to inform their buyers of this very important fact. It is clear that they would rather have misinformed customers, much like in a scam.
Steam is not a subscription service and in contrast to the services mentioned in the headline there is indeed grounds to be confused about what I’m actually buying. no one is surprised that a monthly subscription to say Disney+ does not grants them unlimited access forever. and buying on DRM-free platforms like GOG or itch also only grants a license, you’ll never own a piece of software by buying it in a video game store.
Steam provides a cloud service. Not dissimilar to other subscription-based services. Had they been using AWS, they would also have been affected by the outage, resulting in Steam also being mentioned in the headline. So it’s just as relevant as the others.
you’ll never own a piece of software by buying it in a video game store.
Sure, I’m both granted a license on both Steam or GOG, but the crucial difference is still about offline access. If GOG stopped existing tomorrow, I’d still be able to install, and play, all my GOG games. The same cannot be said for Steam. Which one, then, grants the most ownership? License or no license.
Tell that to all the people who’ve purchased digital copies of movies and TV to own only to have these companies later pull those licenses and leave them with nothing.
i don’t really understand your point. even buying used dvd’s or blu-rays is marginally cheaper than subscription services. people just became too comfortable.
users pay for convenience and when the service stops their money is gone and they have nothing in return.
i wonder why you started off on a high horse? like yea of course digitally independent people will brag about it because they´ve been telling everyone for ages they are right and we generally seem to agree
Nope, buying things second hand should be considered just as bad as pirating as you’re depriving the creators of their entitlements, just to take your argument to its logical conclusion.
@CmdrShepard49@dukemirage If ten people want to store or listen to the same original album at the same time then the creator gets to sell ten copies. Then they might hand them on, but ten copies are still out there. Maybe an eleventh person wants one but they’re all in use - they’re going to have to go back to the creator and buy a new one. If someone pirates one copy and gives it to nine people for them all to have at the same time then the creator only sells one copy, forever.
Piracy is actually a huge driver in both legally purchasing content and secondary purchases (art, toys, statues/models, etc).
The overwhelming majority of pirates also point to the extreme increases in streaming costs as well as the constantly changing landscape of streaming services needed, sometimes to even watch a single show you’d need 3-4 services.
I’d also point out that many out there just want their stuff to be seen. Freddie Wong and Matt Arnold recently made We’re All Gonna Die, which was made available in theaters and then a ton of streaming options.
They then pointed to the availability of a 720p torrent (I’m not going to say that they released it) so everyone could see it. Why? Well maybe people will want to check out their other content, buy merch, or subscribe to their patreon where they make other content.
In the age of social media, content has a strong boost of community participation. Those who pirated [x] talked about it and therefore added to the hype, gave incencitive for other to try it or buy it. After a month or so it’s hard to hook anyone other than with big sales or updates.
Buying used movies at a garage sale fuels the retail market? If that were the case then why can’t you buy used movies at any retail store? Another falsehood.
I’ve spent thousands on hardware and software for my media server, so it seems that piracy does fuel the retail market in ways that buying second hand doesn’t. Perhaps you’re right and they’re not the same. I think piracy generates more revenue than buying second hand, elevating it well above buying used copies, which is now the most harmful way to consume media.
Funny, people who spent ludicrous amounts of time and money to build up private libraries can’t pass the opportunity to be conceited. :3
So, in the US, a standalone, bare-minimum with ads included Disney+ subscription costs $9.99. Oops, actually we’re raising it to $11.99 TOMORROW! So after a paying for a year of Dinsey’s cheapest plan, you’d have paid $144.
But maybe Disney isn’t your thing? Well. Netflix costs $7.99 for the ad plan, and $17.99 for the no ads plan. But do note, even on the ad supported plan, you STILL can’t watch everything.
Ranges $96-216 per year for ads or no ads.
Like anime? Crunchyroll offers a $7.99 plan, but it might not have all the content, so then there’s the $11.99 plan. So $96-144 per year. But their catalog doesn’t even have every fucking anime, and they’ve let dubbing go to the wayside after buying out their main competitor, Funimation (in which we lost several anime due to licensing).
Listen to music on top of that? Spotify for non-students ($5.99) costs $11.99, so $144 in a year. YT music is $10.99 for non-students, so $132
So say you listen to Spotify, like anime, and watch Netflix, you’re paying at minimum $336 per year, on the cheapest plans available, which usually have ads or missing features.
I’ve been looking at Optiplex and Lenovo ThinkCentres on ebay recently, and for my bare minimum standards of 1. Can support virtualization, 2. Can do Intel quick sync video and encode HEVC 10-bit (So about 10 year old devices) the prices range around $90-$150. Some 2TB HDDs would be about $100. You’d probably be pirating since most of the new shows on streaming services have no physical media to buy/no way of just owning a movie or TV box set. Even then, outright buying music and movies is cheaper in the long run. Anything you already own can be added to your library. You’ll never be told that “oops we didn’t pay to re-up our access to that movie, so it’s gone!” You’ll never have new ads, paywalled features, limited devices, or other bullshit. The server is up whenever you want it to be, provided you can handle being tech support.
So in the end, a home server + drives costs less than paying for several services where you own shit, and they can cut features or raise the price any day. But yes, we’re just being conceited assholes.
You know you can setup a stack for piracy in less than 10min on a $40 microcomputer or even on an old android phone. And with the right setup you can automate the downloads meaning you just search for stuff and it downloads it without effort.
Time and money, not so much.
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Dawg even pirate stream sites don’t host on AWS and GCP, you can still watch your content for free online without worrying about a cloud outage because pirate sites actually distribute their files on several cloud platforms since they’re technically always at risk of DMCA lol.
Ludicrous amounts of time and money? What do you think is involved with media piracy? lol
those tall ships are not cheap, and have you seen the price of parrots?
To be fair, if they are talking about digitizing your own library, yes, it can take a lot of time. When I attempted it, each DVD took about a half hour to 45 minutes to rip. I flat out didn’t have that kind of time with the size of my collection. It is way easier, although riskier, to download.
I think downloading movies you already own is legal, though I could be misremembering.
Fun fact, in some countries like mine, downloading is completely legal, it’s the uploading back or seeding that’s illegal.
I did it in a few weeks. I basically swapped discs while playing games, before going to work, before bed, etc. It was tedious, but I got them all.
Now when I buy one, I’ll rip it first before watching.
lmao, buddy you can get a 10tb hard drive for like $200 and fit all the pirated media you want on it. that’s less money than two mainline subscriptions for a year.
the VAST majority of data hoarders are pirates. very very few actual spend fortunes on their media collections. that’s why everyone is dogpilling you. it felt like you were attacking a strawman of the average user here and they feel the need to correct you about their nature.
it’s not about pirates feeling moral or superior. it’s about you being wrong about data hoarders.
I think they were just pointing out that this is the problem with subscription services. You own nothing and you’re screwed when the service goes down.
It really doesn’t take “ludicrous amounts of time and money” to build a private library. It’s interesting how the subscription giants have managed to change people’s perceptions - when you buy content to keep, you keep some of the value, but when you subscribe you’re just getting a time pass to use someone else’s library and won’t see that money again.
They sold the proposition on convenience when everything was in one place, but now it’s all fragmented it’s a waste of money.
And of course plenty of people are building media libraries for free by sailing the seas.
@BananaTrifleViolin @dukemirage a huge proportion of the stuff people watch on Netflix/listen to on Spotify is really old media you could get second hand on CD/DVD for pennies. I mean how much is a Friends box set going for nowadays
Interestingly enough, cheaper on bluray at about ~$70 than on DVD at around $120.
Though cheaper still would be a yard sale, the library, or the high seas.
That’s because the DVDs have extended scenes and they have been lost since and are only available on DVD
like renting in the old days, I’m fine with that
Didn’t you mention ludicrous amounts of money?
Except it didn’t matter if Blockbuster’s headquarters had a power outage since tour physical VHS from them worked fine where ever you were. Pretty much every major web service uses AWS, so if AWS goes down, so does the Internet.
What’s even funnier are the people who spend lots of money on subscription services to own nothing. This outage just demonstrates who really owns their purchases.
it’s not like people were being scammed
It IS a scam since a lot of subscription services do not make it clear that the buyer is only granted limited access, and not ownership of the product.
Just last year, due to legal reasons, Steam placed a notice on their cart page stating that purchases only grant a license—much to the surprise of some Steam users. Steam has been around for 20+ years, and it took a piece of legislation to force the company to inform their buyers of this very important fact. It is clear that they would rather have misinformed customers, much like in a scam.
uh…all software is like that. Has been for decades, you don’t actually own shit, even if you bought the discs.
Steam is not a subscription service and in contrast to the services mentioned in the headline there is indeed grounds to be confused about what I’m actually buying. no one is surprised that a monthly subscription to say Disney+ does not grants them unlimited access forever. and buying on DRM-free platforms like GOG or itch also only grants a license, you’ll never own a piece of software by buying it in a video game store.
Steam provides a cloud service. Not dissimilar to other subscription-based services. Had they been using AWS, they would also have been affected by the outage, resulting in Steam also being mentioned in the headline. So it’s just as relevant as the others.
Sure, I’m both granted a license on both Steam or GOG, but the crucial difference is still about offline access. If GOG stopped existing tomorrow, I’d still be able to install, and play, all my GOG games. The same cannot be said for Steam. Which one, then, grants the most ownership? License or no license.
Tell that to all the people who’ve purchased digital copies of movies and TV to own only to have these companies later pull those licenses and leave them with nothing.
streaming service: 15-20€ per month per service me: vpn 5€ and a cheap hard drive
i’d be poorer with subscribing
you gotta compare prices with buying stuff / dealing with people on classifieds. would also be cheaper, no need to for the pirate’s entitlement.
i don’t really understand your point. even buying used dvd’s or blu-rays is marginally cheaper than subscription services. people just became too comfortable.
users pay for convenience and when the service stops their money is gone and they have nothing in return.
that’s what i meant.
most people don’t like being uncomfortable for such a minor thing like soft entertainment.
i wonder why you started off on a high horse? like yea of course digitally independent people will brag about it because they´ve been telling everyone for ages they are right and we generally seem to agree
OP started off on a high horse
Nope, buying things second hand should be considered just as bad as pirating as you’re depriving the creators of their entitlements, just to take your argument to its logical conclusion.
@CmdrShepard49 @dukemirage If ten people want to store or listen to the same original album at the same time then the creator gets to sell ten copies. Then they might hand them on, but ten copies are still out there. Maybe an eleventh person wants one but they’re all in use - they’re going to have to go back to the creator and buy a new one. If someone pirates one copy and gives it to nine people for them all to have at the same time then the creator only sells one copy, forever.
that’s not a logical conclusion
Sure it is. Its their content and you’re not paying them for it which is the same as stealing, right?
a thriving second hand market fuels the retail market, piracy does not.
Piracy is actually a huge driver in both legally purchasing content and secondary purchases (art, toys, statues/models, etc).
The overwhelming majority of pirates also point to the extreme increases in streaming costs as well as the constantly changing landscape of streaming services needed, sometimes to even watch a single show you’d need 3-4 services.
I’d also point out that many out there just want their stuff to be seen. Freddie Wong and Matt Arnold recently made We’re All Gonna Die, which was made available in theaters and then a ton of streaming options.
They then pointed to the availability of a 720p torrent (I’m not going to say that they released it) so everyone could see it. Why? Well maybe people will want to check out their other content, buy merch, or subscribe to their patreon where they make other content.
But to say piracy is not a driver is incorrect.
In the age of social media, content has a strong boost of community participation. Those who pirated [x] talked about it and therefore added to the hype, gave incencitive for other to try it or buy it. After a month or so it’s hard to hook anyone other than with big sales or updates.
Buying used movies at a garage sale fuels the retail market? If that were the case then why can’t you buy used movies at any retail store? Another falsehood.
I’ve spent thousands on hardware and software for my media server, so it seems that piracy does fuel the retail market in ways that buying second hand doesn’t. Perhaps you’re right and they’re not the same. I think piracy generates more revenue than buying second hand, elevating it well above buying used copies, which is now the most harmful way to consume media.
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