And it does. Then they seem shocked - Shocked I say, SHOOKETH! - when the same behavior that gets them many upvotes in their home instance is met with… “resistance” outside of their echo chambers.
Blocking hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, or lemmy.ml will improve people’s experiences on the Threadiverse by 90% - while blocking all 3 raises that to >99.99%, although self-admitted alt accounts on more standard instances (such as [email protected]) remain to have to be blocked one by one.
Nobody explains any of this to newcomers of course, which helps (it seems to me) explain the high rate of people leaving. Your instance https://startrek.website/ even has a huge, full-page advertisement from the Lemmy developers Nutomic and Dessalines, the latter at least seems to spend a great deal of his time moderating the users of a highly contentious political instance rather than editing the Lemmy sourcecode. i.e. a donation to that team goes a long way towards contributing to the formation of those very same echo chambers that drive Redditors away from the platform, rather than donations to the codebase being separate from donations to the lemmy.ml instance itself. I am not making this political - they are the ones who already made it political, I am just reporting that fact.
You are a treasure… - and places such as the [email protected] community are helpful as well - but a post or community that you need to find somewhere first is not the same as an official explanation offered to everyone (to clarify my earlier statement, I meant that nobody “officially” explains this to all newcomers).
Here for instance is the entirety of the sidebar text of OP’s instance, which again has a full-page advertisement to donate to the further developement of the Lemmy sourcecode (+ the hidden activity of time spent administering that heavily political instance), plus multiple additional links to donate, yet seems to me to lack an explanation of e.g. “hexbear”.
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Lemmy can be a highly toxic place. The maximum here seems much worse than Reddit, even though the average (discounting certain instances) is much much lower. Lemmy can be cleaned up by blocking toxic people, whereas on Reddit that endeavor is just a lost cause.
Which is why I am placing my hopes for the Threadiverse not in Lemmy but in PieFed, one of its many features that Lemmy lacks being the automatic labeling of toxic users - they can still say whatever they want, but their reputation now precedes them.
It helps to block whole entire instances. Some innocents may get caught up in that, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make.
This. The way I see it, if an admin can’t (or won’t) moderate their users, the problem can only get worse.
And it does. Then they seem shocked - Shocked I say, SHOOKETH! - when the same behavior that gets them many upvotes in their home instance is met with… “resistance” outside of their echo chambers.
Blocking hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, or lemmy.ml will improve people’s experiences on the Threadiverse by 90% - while blocking all 3 raises that to >99.99%, although self-admitted alt accounts on more standard instances (such as [email protected]) remain to have to be blocked one by one.
Nobody explains any of this to newcomers of course, which helps (it seems to me) explain the high rate of people leaving. Your instance https://startrek.website/ even has a huge, full-page advertisement from the Lemmy developers Nutomic and Dessalines, the latter at least seems to spend a great deal of his time moderating the users of a highly contentious political instance rather than editing the Lemmy sourcecode. i.e. a donation to that team goes a long way towards contributing to the formation of those very same echo chambers that drive Redditors away from the platform, rather than donations to the codebase being separate from donations to the lemmy.ml instance itself. I am not making this political - they are the ones who already made it political, I am just reporting that fact.
I did, several times when promoting the platform
https://old.reddit.com/r/BoycottUnitedStates/comments/1jrcrh6/lemmy_as_an_nonus_alternative_to_red_dit_using/
https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1j0xkqa/lemmy_as_an_alternative_to_reddit_using/ (removed since then, but content was the same)
You are a treasure… - and places such as the [email protected] community are helpful as well - but a post or community that you need to find somewhere first is not the same as an official explanation offered to everyone (to clarify my earlier statement, I meant that nobody “officially” explains this to all newcomers).
Here for instance is the entirety of the sidebar text of OP’s instance, which again has a full-page advertisement to donate to the further developement of the Lemmy sourcecode (+ the hidden activity of time spent administering that heavily political instance), plus multiple additional links to donate, yet seems to me to lack an explanation of e.g. “hexbear”.
Nor did I see it mentioned anywhere on https://wiki.startrek.website/books/startrekwebsite/page/what-to-expect-with-an-account-on-startrekwebsite. To be fair, hexbear.net is now defederated from it, as too is lemmygrad.ml, but this was not always so in the past, and this was one of the reasons I left that instance long ago. Though conversely, instances that still federate with hexbear.net, such as lemmy.zip, do not seem to offer any warnings either?
Lemmy can be a highly toxic place. The maximum here seems much worse than Reddit, even though the average (discounting certain instances) is much much lower. Lemmy can be cleaned up by blocking toxic people, whereas on Reddit that endeavor is just a lost cause.
Which is why I am placing my hopes for the Threadiverse not in Lemmy but in PieFed, one of its many features that Lemmy lacks being the automatic labeling of toxic users - they can still say whatever they want, but their reputation now precedes them.
It’s now [email protected]
Subscribed! I had no idea that existed…
Which only bolster my point further: these communities need to be pointed to from instance sidebars to be truly effective.
There is also some overlap with [email protected] if we are talking about PieFed specifically.