Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it’s “her decision to make,” she is a “very, very good politician.”
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been “out on the streets with her” and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. “It’s so incredibly genuine and open.”
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
I really hate to say this, but there’s no way a woman will win in 2028 (if an election even happens).
The vast centrist vote will go towards stability and a return to the ‘values’ they think have been lost.
It sucks a lot, but the only viable choice will be a white man. I hate this, but it’s true.
Walz is probably the most politically viable choice. Does that suck? Yeah. But pragmatically, it’s just true.
Sorry to be crass, but fuck that. Is anyone excited about the generic geriatric white male candidate? Tons of people love AOC and Bernie, too, for that matter. I think we need a candidate that actually inspires people. Someone that people want to vote for, volunteer for, canvas for, etc. Maybe I’m just a dreamer, though.
Hey man, I’m with you. This sucks a lot.
This situation is fucking terrible. Personally, I’d prefer Bernie would run himself, but he clearly doesn’t want to (and given his age, I can’t blame him).
To be completely honest, though, he’s got sort of a bad track record of backing other candidates, so if he’s endorsing AOC, that’s even more evidence she won’t win.
I agree with him on most things, and I’d absolutely back him as a candidate like 10 years ago, but he’s not a kingmaker. I wish we lived in a better world, but we don’t. Our world is fucking awful, politically speaking.
Frankly, I’ll vote for any democrat that challenges Trump. My logic is that only the Democratic Party has ANY actual shot at winning, so whether it’s AOC, Bernie, or he’ll even Vermin Supreme if they put him on the ballot. I will vote for a fucking brick if it’s a democrat and challenges Trump. It almost certainly cannot get worse.
Edit: and before people say Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028… I wouldn’t be so sure about that lol. You hear/see the shit this guy says/does?
I think a large part of the problem is that he likely won’t be. He’s not in charge now, and once he dies in office, people will think the danger has passed.
The issue is people think trump is the cause rather than a symptom.
In 2028, especially if he’s dead and his grave is the county’s biggest toilet, many people will breathe a sigh and think everything has gone back to normal, ignoring that the real fascists are still in control. That will be when it becomes truly dangerous.
Trump is not in charge, and things will not change when he’s gone, but most people will think everything is fine then, and will go back to ‘politics as normal’.
Yep. People like Curtis Yarvin and Thiel and Musk and “JD” are quite a bit younger than the pedo-in-chief.
The donor class that supported the construction of all the systems of radical right wing epistemic closure, long before Taco came along, are not going away, and neither is their money. And neither are those systems. If anything, those systems are being honed and perfected to be even worse than ever before (cable and local news are nothing compared to things like TikTok for being able to control minds).
People might think that Gen Y or Gen Z will be pissed off to make real changes, but I don’t believe it, for two reasons. One is that I’ve seen the same claims made about boomers and Gen X. The second is that Gen Y and Gen Z are poised to be the biggest beneficiaries of the largest wealth transfer in history. I seriously doubt that will radicalize them, and there is not much evidence of any kind of a big progressive swell in either of them as-is.
You’re right, but more to the point: they’ve largely solidified changes to the system via Project 2025 that will take decades to reverse, if they can be reversed at all.
I’m not talking about philosophical or ideological changes, but real, tangible changes to laws that are impervious to differences in who’s president or what the political landscape is.
The damage is largely done now. Even if by some miracle of the electorate going against everything that’s ever happened in the history of the nation and defying people’s nature and misogyny and whatever, AOC was somehow elected, it will take decades to begin to fix this.
The fact that people don’t understand this only solidifies my assessment that there’s no chance she could be elected. People simply do not understand the current political climate.
I wish this pipe dream could be true, because that would be a much better world than the one in which we live.
Trump is not the cause, but he made it possible for these people to take power
Yeah, in the same way a cut allows you to get a staph infection.
But a hangnail or certain kinds of sex at a bad time can do that, too.
Trump is just the method of delivery. Staph was always there, waiting for an opportunity.
Walz actually would have me a little excited. He seems like a great person and a solid candidate.
I’d be more excited for AOC. It’s possible she wouldn’t have a chance, but if the will of the American people keeps disappointing, then at some point we have to hang it up and say we deserve what we get.
If we can’t vote in a woman at this point, then maybe the experiment really is over.
A woman will not win in America, probably for the next 40 years at least.
Bernies too old.
Bullshit. That the lie youve all told yourselves, but the reality is that you choose a shit candidate that happened to be a woman, in Harris. She was presenting herself as a republican moderate, while she had hollywood running around on her behalf saying the “woke” shit that people are fucking sick to death of.
No, the reason that AOC wont get the nom, or the support, is because shes what the Dems dont want. Someone who wont bend the knee to the party leaders or their rich donors. Just last year she was nailed on for a house committee seat, and Nancy fucking Pelosi from her fucking hospital bed, rallied to make sure she didnt get it. Instead it went to a 75 year old man with fucking cancer. And yes, he died 4 months later, and they STILL wont give her the seat.
AOCs problem, isnt that shes a woman. Its that shes the second coming of Bernie. She would get shit done that most voters actually want. In 2016, being utterly sick of the money and corruption in politics, even Republicans said they would vote for Bernie. YES, OVER TRUMP!!! And the DNC still fucked him. They will fuck AOC as well, like they already have. Because she would win. She would get votes from all over the political spectrum because she would drag the US into the new millennium, finally getting Americans healthcare that doesnt bankrupt them or deny them service, because it would be free at point of need. The millionaires and billionaires would get taxed properly, and education would be easier to access and afford/be free.
AOC, Bernie and those like them are what America needs to realise the dream that so many Americans have been denied since birth. Her vagina isnt the issue. The fact she would be good for the people is.
Can we just have her as the 1st pres of New California, instead? Fuck the rest of these maggoty losers and their suckhole fanbase. Maybe a new start ain’t so bad an idea, and the DNC can choke on their long-impatient headstones, et al.
Lol no. I’m old enough to not care about Harris’s minuscule blip on the political landscape, and to understand far larger social trends than that.
The fact you think this is about Harris of all the decades of social trends makes it clear you have no idea what I mean, and maybe you should take a moment to learn some things before writing such a diatribe.
In fact, I’m pretty sure you’re precisely the type who, when trump dies, will think everything has gone back to normal. I hope I’m wrong about that, because this whole thing is far larger and plays out over a far longer time scale than you think. Please prove me wrong.
Social trends have changed. No one gives a fuck that youre a woman. Only racists and sexists think a 50 year old white man is the only option.
Trump is not now, nor has he ever been the problem. The culture wars, and those that participate in them are the problem. It would be fine it stuck to the internet, but its bleeding out. And Trump, among others, weaponised it.
But the fact remains, that the desire to see change in American politics is as strong now as it was in 2016, when Trump conned a lot of people with “Drain the swamp”. AOC is that change. The only question is whether or not the DNC and the party as a whole will get the fuck out of the way, or just fuck her over again like they did last year and like they did Bernie in 2016 and 2020.
Bullshit.
You don’t, but you’re not everyone.
A massive part of understanding the world is understanding that you’re not everyone. My entire career has been to understand other people, and step 1 is to realise that you are not everyone. It’s very counterintuitive for most of us, but also very necessary if you hope to understand things.
I am not everyone, and I am not speaking for myself here. If the world were me, I’d 100% say AOC could win. I’d fucking love that.
But I am not the world.
Sorry, but thats just culture wars talking. AOC is the new Bernie. And people will vote for the change that they represent. Loud, doesnt mean majority. It never did.
Okay. Sure, my entire life on this planet and all of my lived experience is ‘culture wars’.
Believe what you like, I’ll not stop you.
This isn’t ‘culture wars’ – whatever that even means here. It’s me talking to you. Being reductionist only makes you seem pithy, which is actually rather sad.
We’re probably done here, if you can’t even have a conversation without resorting to catch phrases.
The problem isn’t their genitals. The problem is their policies.
Especially support for Israel.
They have their genitals deep in Israel.
There’s a circumcision joke in there, but I’m fuckin’ spent. 🤷🏼♂️
I agree, but Walz would have to be allowed to be himself. They reined him in last election and that sucked. I want him to go unchained and I don’t want anyone trying to have him dial it back…we need someone that is giving good reasons to vote FOR them, speaking plainly and showing some fight.
I wish it were otherwise because I would so love to see AOC in that office. But I just think there is just so much misogyny in this country. And the only people that Taco has (supposedly) won against were women.
It’s wild that places like Japan - often described to Westerners as being very male-dominated, etc. - have beat us to having a woman in the highest office. I guess maybe it’s possible that we were projecting a little there, hmmmmm?
Well, I suppose a Walz/Cortez instead of Cortez/Walz ticket would be better than nothing.
white geriatric walking dead
All of American Politics for $500, Alex.
Come on, do you really think that though? gender is an issue to be factored in, but considering it the primary factor is a level of cynicism thats effectively bordering on hopelessness. Maybe you earned that cynicism, I get that, being a a real american lefty is hard lately. How about we stand behind someone who inspires? Who seems to care about the issues that affect the constituents? who at least seems to not be one of the bought and paid for AIPAC drones?
But you’d ponder running some asshat zionist like walz or shaprio instead, simply because they have a pecker and no tits? I dont think america is so far gone that they would pass up an inspirational human for a male human. And if we are, then its not worth fighting for anyway. If we are that far gone then its time for all of us to run.
Reminds me of a quote from the green mile movie.
“I’m rightly tired of the pain I hear and feel, boss. I’m tired of bein on the road, lonely as a robin in the rain. Not never havin no buddy to go on with or tell me where we’s comin from or goin to or why. I’m tired of people bein ugly to each other. It feels like pieces of glass in my head. I’m tired of all the times I’ve wanted to help and couldn’t. I’m tired of bein in the dark. Mostly it’s the pain. There’s too much. If I could end it, I would. But I can’t.”
Gotta keep fighting till its time to run, and then keep fighting after that, or we’ll be a disappointment to our kids.
I legitimately do.
well. shit. If we cant unite behind a good candidate because we think an asshat consolation candidate must win, I dont know how we win, because the asshat candidates always sell us out in the end. It the DNC way of things.
It’s the human way of things.
DNC or not, even if they were as perfect as you’d like them to be, trying to unite people on the left is like herding cats.
Have you tried having discussions with multiple people on the left? I’ll bet you have, and I’ll bet you’ve been frustrated.
The problem with any of left of centre is that we believe in things and aren’t a flock of sheep. That’s good, but also politically very bad for us.
debateable. We cant grease the wheels of our government with massive amounts of innocent’s human blood. If we do that then we dont deserve to exist ourselves.
Unfortunately. zionists support war crimes, and you can depend on them causing more war crimes if they get power. I cant have that. I’d rather the whole system burn down around us, and lots of people think that way. I think people conflating red lines with “not being perfect” is leaning into excusing ourselves of our responsibilities to each other.
Walz is an “asshat consolation candidate”? 🥹
He’s a zionist.
Oh. Hunh. Welp… 🤦🏼♂️
yeah. otherwise I do like him a lot.
NGL, kinda feels like having a strong preference on a waiter at dinner while the ship sinks around us. 🤷🏽♂️
Are these voters in the room with us right now?
Walz has a hell of a lot more chance than aoc. And I really like him. And hes a lot better than most.
Yes, it must be Walz. Dont run a woman against MAGA.
Everyone who’s down voting you is in denial
I get it. The truth hurts, especially right now when what we desperately need is hope.
You’re 100% correct but last time the US ran on HOPE they got wedding drone strikes… I don’t have a whole lot of hope for them but maybe they can change that….
Quick edit: anything gives me more hope than the current shit sooooo