We read Graham Platner’s whole Reddit archive. The vilification of the Maine candidate for Senate doesn’t square with what he actually wrote in his posts.
Person A: The totenkopf on the dude first on the left is a good clue.
Person B: has literal human skulls on uniform (…)
Person C: Many soldiers still use the skull as an emblem (see the Punisher skull for the SEALs) or regiment emblems all around the world. It’s a way of making others fear them and all. (…)
Person D: (…) Punisher is a kind of unofficial emblem and it’s more something some individuals do. I’ve seen it more on civvy and moto stuff than on actual servicemen.
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So… try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream “fake news” until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can’t judge him based on that.
acobin obtained the full archive of posts under Platner’s Reddit username, P-Hustle
So maybe look for “P-Hustle” in the link I provided?
Also, if you need a primer on who platner is, I recommend wikipedia for that. Maybe try to know a few things about what you are discussing. It makes it easier for everyone
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?
I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it’s not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it’s just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.
I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about ‘totenkopf’ up in a different place, and replied to that saying “oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo,” it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn’t mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.
Yeah. I mean I do feel like it’s good if there is some vigorous pushback against the nonsense. I am honestly heartened and encouraged by how the Lemmy immune system against bad-faith bullshit seems to be getting stronger since last year. I was honestly really unhappy about how these narratives seemed to dominate when I first joined, it has been getting better.
Like a few days ago, there was a “Nazi tattoo” story, and all the first 1-2 dozen comments were applying some kind of skepticism to it or asking questions. The bullshit brigade arrived soon after that, and the comments section immediately devolved into something about like what we’re seeing surrounding us now, but I definitely think political Lemmy at this point has a certain level of bullshit-meter activated.
(I feel like seeing the exact same tide of people swearing that there wasn’t much difference between Trump and Kamala, and they were going to save Palestine by refusing to vote for Democrats, and then the bloody aftermath we’re living through now, might have had a certain amount to do with it honestly. Of course, I am sure it will go through its next evolution at some point, I feel like just deliberately disrupting the comments with hostility and angry noise may start to take over more and more soon if bullshit keeps not working, but that’s just one random guess.)
Yea, I was there for the bullshit brigade, I got completely exhausted by it. I had planned to go to his town hall tonight but I ended up not feeling well don’t want to get anyone else sick if I’m coming down with something. His last few have made it to YouTube so I’m hopeful this one will too. Hopefully he will do another close enough for me to attend.
Reproducing from a previous comment
In the thread in question
https://web.archive.org/web/20190226141422/https:/www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/auy0bi/battleweary_ss/
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So… try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream “fake news” until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can’t judge him based on that.
What am I looking at here? Which user is Platner and when did he say it was a Nazi tattoo?
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From the article:
So maybe look for “P-Hustle” in the link I provided?
Also, if you need a primer on who platner is, I recommend wikipedia for that. Maybe try to know a few things about what you are discussing. It makes it easier for everyone
Okay, I found one comment:
That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?
I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it’s not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it’s just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.
I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about ‘totenkopf’ up in a different place, and replied to that saying “oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo,” it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn’t mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.
Don’t try to apply critical thinking to these people, it’s a waste of energy. Just downvote and move on.
Yeah. I mean I do feel like it’s good if there is some vigorous pushback against the nonsense. I am honestly heartened and encouraged by how the Lemmy immune system against bad-faith bullshit seems to be getting stronger since last year. I was honestly really unhappy about how these narratives seemed to dominate when I first joined, it has been getting better.
Like a few days ago, there was a “Nazi tattoo” story, and all the first 1-2 dozen comments were applying some kind of skepticism to it or asking questions. The bullshit brigade arrived soon after that, and the comments section immediately devolved into something about like what we’re seeing surrounding us now, but I definitely think political Lemmy at this point has a certain level of bullshit-meter activated.
(I feel like seeing the exact same tide of people swearing that there wasn’t much difference between Trump and Kamala, and they were going to save Palestine by refusing to vote for Democrats, and then the bloody aftermath we’re living through now, might have had a certain amount to do with it honestly. Of course, I am sure it will go through its next evolution at some point, I feel like just deliberately disrupting the comments with hostility and angry noise may start to take over more and more soon if bullshit keeps not working, but that’s just one random guess.)
This was not a statistically significant number of people.
Yea, I was there for the bullshit brigade, I got completely exhausted by it. I had planned to go to his town hall tonight but I ended up not feeling well don’t want to get anyone else sick if I’m coming down with something. His last few have made it to YouTube so I’m hopeful this one will too. Hopefully he will do another close enough for me to attend.
Congrats. You “found” the comment I provided after I explained to you how to read and then made the defense I facetiously suggested.
Twitter really broke the world, huh?