Russia is winning now, and hasn’t fielded the “real kit” either. NATO just does not have the productive capacity to field a long term war. I’m not sure why warmongers like yourself keep thinking there’s going to be a grand turning point, in a decade when we look back on this event I fear the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.
the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.
Ukraine war was instigated to eliminate nordstream and capture EU to US energy before renewables could take hold. Also sweet weapons profits. Absolutely the theater of it has a predetermined plot ending with Russia winning. The goal was to make that last 10+ years. Any end to any war is a defeat for US energy and weapons profits.
There is nothing militarily nato can do. Even if different countries wanted to help more and actually fielded armies, it would be a stalemate. Only a political solution will work.
Because it doesn’t have the power to take down an industrialized nuclear power like Russia in a short term war. I don’t see what you’re imagining here.
Last time they tried our grandparents took 105 days to beat Russia with very little formal military and even less hardware. Sure, we had some help back then too, but today it’s on a whole different level. And we’re just a single small country up north, NATO as a whole is quite a bit bigger.
Russia currently has lost million soldiers and stockpiles of soviet relics are pretty much empty with a strong breeze away from total economy collapse. They don’t have power to conquer a potato field from a modern western country right now, much less against the whole global west.
This is entirely divorced from reality. Modern western countries have hollowed out their industry, and can’t fight a true war against a peer country that’s actually industrialized. Russia’s economy is doing well, and they have strong trade through BRICS.
Because western countries do not have the industrial capacity for a long-term war nor the ability to topple a country as large as Russia in the short term.
I never dodged anything. No power on the planet has the ability to overtake a country as large as Russia, a nuclear-armed Russia at that, in a short-term war. Invading Russia is notoriously difficult, and the neighboring countries with land bridges do not have the ability to field a large offensive, except China, which is an ally.
So russia just doesnt value the life of their solders or why dont they use the good kit to just win if they have it and its so good? Why are they fine with so many casualties?
The good kit is nuclear annihilation of US bases in Germany/UK. Russia is accepting theater plot of winning slowly as its economy booms from military production increases. Russia is participating in global corruption by not acting decisively on NATO’s war against it.
Things like Oreshnik don’t make sense to use at scale against Ukraine, as an example, but would be valuable in fighting against NATO countries that are further away. Other tools like the stock of T90s they have are potentially being stockpiled for a later, large-scale offensive after wearing down Ukrainian troops and supplies, or for fighting against a NATO power.
An alternative is asking why the US doesn’t approach Yemen with aircraft carriers, and the answer is because of the economics of war. It’s far too much economic risk to bring your better tools out when cheaper tools are effective.
There’s also the fact that Ukraine publishes inflated numbers of casualties, the real casualty numbers aren’t as high as Kiev reports. I imagine Russia is underplaying it too, which means the real answer is likely somewhere in the middle.
But the cheap tools arent really effective are they? The 2 day offensive iss at how many years now? Russian refineries are being struck deep inside their country and russia has lost valuable weapons when olayna was attacked. Russia is in full war economy mode. While fighting against ukraine, so i dont see how the cheap tools are effective. If a little of russias claimed military power was true they would have just invaded ukraine in a few days like they said. Whats happening doesnt make any economic sense for russsia. The amount of monetary damade is so big that not using the big guns to save money is just dumb.
The ssoviet union was always overselling its military capabilety from what russia has accomplished to this point it really seems like they are still doing that.
They may be marginally less effective, but it isn’t a linear scale, and often times millitary contracts end up being overly complex and thus less efficient than cheap drones. That’s why Yemen is so effective.
They largely mean the same thing. Russia calls it the SMO, others call it the Russo-Ukrainian War, etc. It doesn’t really matter what it’s called, I’ve used the two interchangeably.
Russia is winning now, and hasn’t fielded the “real kit” either. NATO just does not have the productive capacity to field a long term war. I’m not sure why warmongers like yourself keep thinking there’s going to be a grand turning point, in a decade when we look back on this event I fear the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.
Ukraine war was instigated to eliminate nordstream and capture EU to US energy before renewables could take hold. Also sweet weapons profits. Absolutely the theater of it has a predetermined plot ending with Russia winning. The goal was to make that last 10+ years. Any end to any war is a defeat for US energy and weapons profits.
Why do you think NATO would need a long term war to deal with Russia?
There is nothing militarily nato can do. Even if different countries wanted to help more and actually fielded armies, it would be a stalemate. Only a political solution will work.
Because it can’t win a short-term war unless it goes nuclear, and then everyone loses.
And why can’t it win a short-term war?
Because it doesn’t have the power to take down an industrialized nuclear power like Russia in a short term war. I don’t see what you’re imagining here.
Last time they tried our grandparents took 105 days to beat Russia with very little formal military and even less hardware. Sure, we had some help back then too, but today it’s on a whole different level. And we’re just a single small country up north, NATO as a whole is quite a bit bigger.
Russia currently has lost million soldiers and stockpiles of soviet relics are pretty much empty with a strong breeze away from total economy collapse. They don’t have power to conquer a potato field from a modern western country right now, much less against the whole global west.
This is entirely divorced from reality. Modern western countries have hollowed out their industry, and can’t fight a true war against a peer country that’s actually industrialized. Russia’s economy is doing well, and they have strong trade through BRICS.
What makes you think they don’t have the power
Because western countries do not have the industrial capacity for a long-term war nor the ability to topple a country as large as Russia in the short term.
You are a master at dodging the question, I’ll give you that!
I never dodged anything. No power on the planet has the ability to overtake a country as large as Russia, a nuclear-armed Russia at that, in a short-term war. Invading Russia is notoriously difficult, and the neighboring countries with land bridges do not have the ability to field a large offensive, except China, which is an ally.
That’s a truck load of crap. If the real kit is old Soviet kit then you are right.
No, Russia has tools like Oreshnik that just don’t make sense to use against Ukraine at scale.
So russia just doesnt value the life of their solders or why dont they use the good kit to just win if they have it and its so good? Why are they fine with so many casualties?
The good kit is nuclear annihilation of US bases in Germany/UK. Russia is accepting theater plot of winning slowly as its economy booms from military production increases. Russia is participating in global corruption by not acting decisively on NATO’s war against it.
Lol natos war against it? Who attacked again? I thought they had a bunch of tanks and other stuff or is it just nukes now?
Who attacked? Nato attacked
2014 nuland (usa) coup (undemocratic ofc) with subsequent systematic genocide of russian-speaking ukrainians
+bojo sabotaging peace talks makes britain responsible for the war
Things like Oreshnik don’t make sense to use at scale against Ukraine, as an example, but would be valuable in fighting against NATO countries that are further away. Other tools like the stock of T90s they have are potentially being stockpiled for a later, large-scale offensive after wearing down Ukrainian troops and supplies, or for fighting against a NATO power.
An alternative is asking why the US doesn’t approach Yemen with aircraft carriers, and the answer is because of the economics of war. It’s far too much economic risk to bring your better tools out when cheaper tools are effective.
There’s also the fact that Ukraine publishes inflated numbers of casualties, the real casualty numbers aren’t as high as Kiev reports. I imagine Russia is underplaying it too, which means the real answer is likely somewhere in the middle.
But the cheap tools arent really effective are they? The 2 day offensive iss at how many years now? Russian refineries are being struck deep inside their country and russia has lost valuable weapons when olayna was attacked. Russia is in full war economy mode. While fighting against ukraine, so i dont see how the cheap tools are effective. If a little of russias claimed military power was true they would have just invaded ukraine in a few days like they said. Whats happening doesnt make any economic sense for russsia. The amount of monetary damade is so big that not using the big guns to save money is just dumb.
The ssoviet union was always overselling its military capabilety from what russia has accomplished to this point it really seems like they are still doing that.
They may be marginally less effective, but it isn’t a linear scale, and often times millitary contracts end up being overly complex and thus less efficient than cheap drones. That’s why Yemen is so effective.
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Not at all, and I don’t think ableism is a substitute for a point. I want the war to end, which means peace talks now and concessions from Ukraine.
Why should they concede anything. They’re a sovereign nation, and owe nothing. The war can end right now by Russia returning back whence it came.
Because they are losing the war. The world does not run on Marvel-logic, Russia isn’t going to stop until their stated goals are met.
Oh, now it’s a war again. Before that you called it a special military operation. At least you are learning. Slowly, but hey: baby steps.
They largely mean the same thing. Russia calls it the SMO, others call it the Russo-Ukrainian War, etc. It doesn’t really matter what it’s called, I’ve used the two interchangeably.
They may be “losing”. But Russia isn’t entirely “winning” either.
Russia is winning, that much is clear at this point.
How much ground does Russia have now at day 1000 ish vs day 3 of their invasion of a sovereign nation?
They currently have all of Donetsk and Luhansk, and are gradually encircling Kiev’s forces in the other 2 oblasts.