Too bad Linux completely abandoned accessibility with Wayland by putting accessibility API implementations up to the distros. Which, by far, don’t. And when they do it’s fragmented as fuck.
Making Linux an absolute no go for anyone that needs accessibility tools like Talon, which does work on X11 APIs. Since those were actually consistent.
I really do not like such comments. Do free alternatives always have to be better than everything else? Even if people would find out that Facebook was always watching them via their cameras and were selling their nude pictures to the Hezbollah, someone will jump into the comments and say that they can’t use Mastodon, because some bogus reason. Yeah, accessibility could be better, but have you even taken a look at whatever nightmare UIs Microsoft has been pushing for years?
I mean, I can see that it is kind of hard to program your own accessibility tools esp. when you’re disabled. But in this case it literally is “Pay money to be spied upon by a ruthless company in bed with the Trump administration” vs. “use this free software that is not spying on you”
What are you talking about? Sorry but it is these types of comments that confuse new users. Same with the systems init.d bullshit.
I am running endeavour os on my laptop with kde Wayland and I have absolutely no issues. None! Sure there are some fringe cases but for the large majority Linux is working flawlessly!
What are you talking about? They weren’t talking about the large majority, they’re explicitly talking about the minority who needs accessibility tools to use a computer. I personally don’t know what these deficiencies are, but i can imagine with Wayland’s strong security focus, screen readers would be busted.
Hi, we use accessible features (os wide captions for VCs and videos without CC to help with hearing issues/audio processing disability) and haven’t had issues with that. Tho from what we’ve heard, screen readers are trash no matter what OS you use. :P
Haven’t had much of an issue otherwise.
Wayland is responsible for kneecapping linux desktop in so many ways its infuriating, especially since linux basically figured out the golden standard of UX design back in the 2000s with stuff like GNOME 2 and Compiz.
It’s such an unnecessary burden with progress as slow as ripoff projects like star citizen.
I hope valve picks up the slack with frog protocols or at least gets PRs merged, because it would be stupid to ship steam machine and then explain to the user that the clipboard doesn’t work yet, even though it used to work perfectly fine in X11.
Except accessibility, Wayland has been a huge upgrade over X11.
Much better security isolation, proper HDR, full multi-monitor support, full VRR support, better application scaling, no screen tearing and reduced latency. (The clipboard also works fine)
Without Wayland I would not be on Linux right now.
The graphics stack is better, but the security isolation is IMHO solving a problem no one really had, at the cost of breaking a bunch of integration mechanisms people actually used.
You want UI security isolation for something like Android, where most software being run is fundamentally opposed to the interests of the user and wants to steal anything not nailed down, and you also contain things at the file system level. If Facebook could screenshot every other app all the time it absolutely would, and people would download it anyway. To some extent the enforceable promise that it can’t do that is why people are still willing to download it anyway and let it do all the other things it does to compromise a system.
In a distro shipping legitimate software, isolation at the desktop UI level is nice for defense in depth, but not really drawing a real security boundary around any program to the point where a user can trust a machine with malicious software running. It doesn’t matter if I can’t steal Firefox’s pixels if I can echo"export PATH=$HOME/.evil-firefox/bin:$PATH" >>~/.bashrc.
Too bad Linux completely abandoned accessibility with Wayland by putting accessibility API implementations up to the distros. Which, by far, don’t. And when they do it’s fragmented as fuck.
Making Linux an absolute no go for anyone that needs accessibility tools like Talon, which does work on X11 APIs. Since those were actually consistent.
I really do not like such comments. Do free alternatives always have to be better than everything else? Even if people would find out that Facebook was always watching them via their cameras and were selling their nude pictures to the Hezbollah, someone will jump into the comments and say that they can’t use Mastodon, because some bogus reason. Yeah, accessibility could be better, but have you even taken a look at whatever nightmare UIs Microsoft has been pushing for years?
Also, linux is open source. Heck with arch you can compile your own. Dont like the accessibility tools? Be the change you wanna see.
I mean, I can see that it is kind of hard to program your own accessibility tools esp. when you’re disabled. But in this case it literally is “Pay money to be spied upon by a ruthless company in bed with the Trump administration” vs. “use this free software that is not spying on you”
(and accessibility on linux is not that bad)
I’ve been using Wayland for months and haven’t noticed any glaring differences between it and X11.
What are you talking about? Sorry but it is these types of comments that confuse new users. Same with the systems init.d bullshit.
I am running endeavour os on my laptop with kde Wayland and I have absolutely no issues. None! Sure there are some fringe cases but for the large majority Linux is working flawlessly!
What are you talking about? They weren’t talking about the large majority, they’re explicitly talking about the minority who needs accessibility tools to use a computer. I personally don’t know what these deficiencies are, but i can imagine with Wayland’s strong security focus, screen readers would be busted.
Hi, we use accessible features (os wide captions for VCs and videos without CC to help with hearing issues/audio processing disability) and haven’t had issues with that. Tho from what we’ve heard, screen readers are trash no matter what OS you use. :P Haven’t had much of an issue otherwise.
That’s good to know! Glad not everyone is having issues with Wayland :)
Wayland is responsible for kneecapping linux desktop in so many ways its infuriating, especially since linux basically figured out the golden standard of UX design back in the 2000s with stuff like GNOME 2 and Compiz.
It’s such an unnecessary burden with progress as slow as ripoff projects like star citizen.
I hope valve picks up the slack with frog protocols or at least gets PRs merged, because it would be stupid to ship steam machine and then explain to the user that the clipboard doesn’t work yet, even though it used to work perfectly fine in X11.
Have you last used wayland 6 years ago??
Here’s a feature list
Except accessibility, Wayland has been a huge upgrade over X11.
Much better security isolation, proper HDR, full multi-monitor support, full VRR support, better application scaling, no screen tearing and reduced latency. (The clipboard also works fine)
Without Wayland I would not be on Linux right now.
The graphics stack is better, but the security isolation is IMHO solving a problem no one really had, at the cost of breaking a bunch of integration mechanisms people actually used.
You want UI security isolation for something like Android, where most software being run is fundamentally opposed to the interests of the user and wants to steal anything not nailed down, and you also contain things at the file system level. If Facebook could screenshot every other app all the time it absolutely would, and people would download it anyway. To some extent the enforceable promise that it can’t do that is why people are still willing to download it anyway and let it do all the other things it does to compromise a system.
In a distro shipping legitimate software, isolation at the desktop UI level is nice for defense in depth, but not really drawing a real security boundary around any program to the point where a user can trust a machine with malicious software running. It doesn’t matter if I can’t steal Firefox’s pixels if I can
echo "export PATH=$HOME/.evil-firefox/bin:$PATH" >>~/.bashrc.