• RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
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    2 days ago

    People enjoy driving dangerously. They don’t see it as risky because they haven’t been killed in a crash yet.

    Cops enforcing traffic? Bad.

    Cameras enforcing traffic? Bad.

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      1 day ago

      very few people would complain about traffic police if the cops didn’t carry guns or were not trained to pit maneuver you for not wearing a seatbelt

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        14 hours ago

        So, we agree. This is specifically a US police problem.

        But many people argue against speed cameras and red light cameras in general, as if they have the right to endanger people’s lives.

        Pit maneuvers are insane, and aren’t done in most other civilised countries.

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          7 hours ago

          No, this is a transportation problem as well. Cameras arent a solution to the problem of too many cars and carcentric infrastructure design lol, its literally a bandaid solution that only affects the poor negatively and no one else. People who complain about the cameras have every right to complain.

          Before any camera is installed, cities should instead be spending that money on reworking street design and getting more buses and banning more cars. Capitalism fixes these problems by letting poor people foot the bill, socialism solves this by making rich people pay their fair share. Are you against taxing the rich instead for safer roads by banning cars on bus-only streets?

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            6 hours ago

            Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha

            I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.

            I am 100% for everything you’ve said, including socialism.

            It’s just I’m also living in the world as it currently is, and if we’re gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.

            Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.

            But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn’t a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.

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              5 hours ago

              You can complain, but youre getting mad at the symptoms and the cameras are only a solution to the symptoms and dont address any real problem. People should be holding their governors, mayors, city councils, and police departments 100% responsible for poor planning and decision making and not applaud them for a band aid solution like cameras. The proper response on cameras to your government should be: Try again, with effort this time. People should be visiting neighborhood meetings to talk about these problems cameras instead of getting angry at people running lights, all Im saying. Lets direct that energy at the real problems and the people who are the only ones capable of making the necessary changes instead of just picking the pickets of the poor please.