I feel like this is why we need to stick with primary sources whenever we are debating with liberals . Liberals don’t trust any news source coming from Russia, China etc (which I’d actually say is a rational fear considering there education) but western news sources time and time again have been proven to lie and not base any of there arguments on the truth.
If we want to actually argue points to liberals or other people we need to use primary sources that can’t be disbuted by saying “that’s Chinese communist propaganda”. Although that does represent another problem in that primary sources are usually harder to read, or are very long and most people probably aren’t willing to read through it to verify it’s authenticity themselves, which does create a vector for misinformation. Although I still think it’s better than secondary sources that liberals will just deny.
I do trust some news coming from China, but for russia it’s just too difficult to give them any credence given my own experience with news outlets that are just government mouthpieces.
Yet, it’s not a complete blackout state like North korea. Telegram has a lot of credible sources or so I’ve heard. They don’t shy away from Russian losses for eg.
Also my issue is with the authoritarian governments and their tightly held control over their media. Recently I’ve felt that western news sources have also very biased and I can’t take anything coming from that completely straight. I’ve even switched sources from legacy media outlets to individual reporters and small boutique media outlets. (YouTubers) They have less ties with the establishment and while they are still biased, they have far more of an objective overview of the situations at hand.
This is different from China and Russia because they control a lot of their social media as well.The great fire wall being infamous. Also the language barrier definitely makes it more difficult to find people organically.
So no, it isn’t about being liberal (which I am not).
I feel like this is why we need to stick with primary sources whenever we are debating with liberals . Liberals don’t trust any news source coming from Russia, China etc (which I’d actually say is a rational fear considering there education) but western news sources time and time again have been proven to lie and not base any of there arguments on the truth.
If we want to actually argue points to liberals or other people we need to use primary sources that can’t be disbuted by saying “that’s Chinese communist propaganda”. Although that does represent another problem in that primary sources are usually harder to read, or are very long and most people probably aren’t willing to read through it to verify it’s authenticity themselves, which does create a vector for misinformation. Although I still think it’s better than secondary sources that liberals will just deny.
I do trust some news coming from China, but for russia it’s just too difficult to give them any credence given my own experience with news outlets that are just government mouthpieces.
Yet, it’s not a complete blackout state like North korea. Telegram has a lot of credible sources or so I’ve heard. They don’t shy away from Russian losses for eg.
Also my issue is with the authoritarian governments and their tightly held control over their media. Recently I’ve felt that western news sources have also very biased and I can’t take anything coming from that completely straight. I’ve even switched sources from legacy media outlets to individual reporters and small boutique media outlets. (YouTubers) They have less ties with the establishment and while they are still biased, they have far more of an objective overview of the situations at hand.
This is different from China and Russia because they control a lot of their social media as well.The great fire wall being infamous. Also the language barrier definitely makes it more difficult to find people organically.
So no, it isn’t about being liberal (which I am not).