When Denmark sold the Danish West Indies to USA in 1916-1917, part of that deal was to ratify that USA accepted the full Danish ownership of Greenland.
At the time, this was done to keep Norway from making claims to Greenland.
But anyway, we quite literally have a document written by USA and signed by USA stating that Denmark alone owns Greenland.
Edit: Took some time to find, but here it is signed by U.S Secretary of State Robert Lansing who made the deal under President Woodrow Wilson.
If you can’t trust the agreements that a government makes, what good is that government.
Some might think it’s cool that the current administration don’t give a shit and is all about action over words, but it’s not going to be pretty when they themselves rely on words.
They don’t give a shit because nobody is holding them accountable. The rest of the western world is waiting for the American people to start holding their government accountable and it’s just not happening.
It didn’t happen in Germany or Japan even after they were firebombed and / or nuked.
People really don’t like holding power - even the formerly poweful - to account; and people in power generally don’t like it either (unless it suits them).
I suspect it’s partly because doing so would lead to the obvious question: who gave then the power in the first place?
You are making some pretty wild statements… those in power don’t actually like holding power? That is a bonkers statement to me. The people who SHOULD have the power never do, because they simply don’t want the power. I can maybe see that, but the people in this day and age that HAVE the power? Most definitely want it, in fact I’d argue they want even more. Gluttonous savage pigs that they are. Will consume and consume and consume until someone puts a stop to it.
“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper
“We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”
“The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”
He’s not arguing we have some ‘legal’ right, he’s arguing that since we have a military, we can do whatever we want wherever we want so long as no one is able to successfully stop us…
He’s giving some serious Hitler vibes. Also, Thrasymachus.
He’s also basically saying that if anyone is capable of violently overthrowing the US, then they have a right to do so.
Also, dismissing international treaties as “niceties” comes very close to treason, as he’s basically saying to disregard the laws as they were written by constitutional authority.
If legal documents no longer count for anything, then neither does the constitution. That would mean the US government has no legal authority.
It’s a dangerously slippery slope, but I think he’s lusting for the chaos that would result.
He’s also asking what right Denmark has to it, which is what I addressed. USA gave us that right.
I don’t really think they’re going to do anything just now. USA can already have all the military they want on Greenland. They’re the ones who are supposed to protect it, so if they choose to attack, what the hell are they supposed to attack? The snow?
It would basically mean that they withdraw from NATO, which is a bit over the top for putting a flag in the snow in an area they already control.
I think that it’s all a distraction. They’re probably going for a surprise attack in Panama any day now.
I guess in the CNN interview he said that? I just read the article, which would make me think his response would simply be “Well Denmark’s smaller military means they have no rights”.
But you are absolutely right that USA can pretty much already stage whatever military presence they want in Greenland so long as everyone can rationalize it as supporting NATO objectives, which would generally rubber stamp Greenland. The ‘we need Greenland for defense’ rings hollow with that.
However, I think the military is an excuse, and they really want:
To have probable ports in a potentially more relevant shipping activity and extract some economic control from that position
To hedge bets against warming to have some land that might be more attractive if local temperatures rise a certain amount
Exert greater pressure on Canada to join up, being surrounded basically on all sides by USA.
They see a significant land mass with fewer than 100k as a cakewalk, from a force perspective, and given their ‘might makes right’ philosophy, it could be a likely next stepping stone.
So you signed a piece of paper. A treaty with a nation that broke treaties (with native Americans) since the start of its existence and you expect a century old piece of paper with a country that has been breaking treaties for twice that long to be worth anything?
That’s the point Steven Miller was trying to make. Don’t give it validity. The international community must insist on following the law, as it’s written on paper.
Actually, they don’t.
When Denmark sold the Danish West Indies to USA in 1916-1917, part of that deal was to ratify that USA accepted the full Danish ownership of Greenland.
At the time, this was done to keep Norway from making claims to Greenland.
But anyway, we quite literally have a document written by USA and signed by USA stating that Denmark alone owns Greenland.
Edit: Took some time to find, but here it is signed by U.S Secretary of State Robert Lansing who made the deal under President Woodrow Wilson.
Might want to ask the indigenous people how effective pieces of paper are at holding back the US military.
If you can’t trust the agreements that a government makes, what good is that government.
Some might think it’s cool that the current administration don’t give a shit and is all about action over words, but it’s not going to be pretty when they themselves rely on words.
I don’t think this administration gives a shit about documents, precedent, or the rule of law.
They don’t give a shit because nobody is holding them accountable. The rest of the western world is waiting for the American people to start holding their government accountable and it’s just not happening.
It didn’t happen in Germany or Japan even after they were firebombed and / or nuked.
People really don’t like holding power - even the formerly poweful - to account; and people in power generally don’t like it either (unless it suits them).
I suspect it’s partly because doing so would lead to the obvious question: who gave then the power in the first place?
You are making some pretty wild statements… those in power don’t actually like holding power? That is a bonkers statement to me. The people who SHOULD have the power never do, because they simply don’t want the power. I can maybe see that, but the people in this day and age that HAVE the power? Most definitely want it, in fact I’d argue they want even more. Gluttonous savage pigs that they are. Will consume and consume and consume until someone puts a stop to it.
They said that people don’t like holding power to account
Ah. So they did.
Yep 😀
He’s not arguing we have some ‘legal’ right, he’s arguing that since we have a military, we can do whatever we want wherever we want so long as no one is able to successfully stop us…
He’s giving some serious Hitler vibes. Also, Thrasymachus.
He’s also basically saying that if anyone is capable of violently overthrowing the US, then they have a right to do so.
Also, dismissing international treaties as “niceties” comes very close to treason, as he’s basically saying to disregard the laws as they were written by constitutional authority.
If legal documents no longer count for anything, then neither does the constitution. That would mean the US government has no legal authority.
It’s a dangerously slippery slope, but I think he’s lusting for the chaos that would result.
He’s also asking what right Denmark has to it, which is what I addressed. USA gave us that right.
I don’t really think they’re going to do anything just now. USA can already have all the military they want on Greenland. They’re the ones who are supposed to protect it, so if they choose to attack, what the hell are they supposed to attack? The snow?
It would basically mean that they withdraw from NATO, which is a bit over the top for putting a flag in the snow in an area they already control.
I think that it’s all a distraction. They’re probably going for a surprise attack in Panama any day now.
If nobody fights back, it means everyone has withdrawn from NATO.
I guess in the CNN interview he said that? I just read the article, which would make me think his response would simply be “Well Denmark’s smaller military means they have no rights”.
But you are absolutely right that USA can pretty much already stage whatever military presence they want in Greenland so long as everyone can rationalize it as supporting NATO objectives, which would generally rubber stamp Greenland. The ‘we need Greenland for defense’ rings hollow with that.
However, I think the military is an excuse, and they really want:
They see a significant land mass with fewer than 100k as a cakewalk, from a force perspective, and given their ‘might makes right’ philosophy, it could be a likely next stepping stone.
So you signed a piece of paper. A treaty with a nation that broke treaties (with native Americans) since the start of its existence and you expect a century old piece of paper with a country that has been breaking treaties for twice that long to be worth anything?
Lol
I feel this thing needs to be shared all over the place. Like massively.
Great
When the bombs start dropping, don’t forget to wave this piece of paper at them, I’m sure they’ll care
That’s the point Steven Miller was trying to make. Don’t give it validity. The international community must insist on following the law, as it’s written on paper.
Dropping bombs where?
The only military presence on Greenland is already the American NATO base. Everyone else up there are civilians.
They’re gonna bomb the snow just for the fuck of it?
The whole thing is absurd. It’s a distraction.
By even suggesting that these people might have a point, you’re playing right into their hands.
🤓🫱🦋 Is this toilet paper?