Except more teachers are abusers than priests… Almost like paedophiles are attracted to any role that gives them a position of authority, especially over children.
We actually don’t have any adequate evidence to support that hypothesis because Christians, more specifically Christo-Fascists, have prevented any real investigation into Churches for decades if not centuries.
“School bodies”. . .yes. We are one of the most transparent organizations that deal with children. Predator behavior has zero tolerance and there are way more people in education ready to call out a colleague to protect a child than would be willing to cover it up. You should be ashamed for putting false information about this on the net as if you have any idea. Educators get enough grief as is and they take care of our children and guide them into better futures, a great deal of times without adequate resources.
Not really. A large proportion of them are just on a power trip and enjoy having a power trip over the kids. And then they think they are as important as nurses or firefighters for treating your children like cattle. Teachers would downplay everything and lie to the parents and cry over the school’s precious fragile reputation.
Have you forgotten that schools traditionally where run by the church where priests and nuns where the effective teachers.
There is also zero evidence that modern teachers who tend to have their own families, are not sexually repressed have a worse problem.
If you want to talk about roles that attract predators, try youth camps of all kinds where kids sleep on location and there generally way less structural oversight.
The priests and nuns that where originally running the education system where of the repressed catholic kind.
Anyway my point isn’t to assume pastors are pedos it was to refute your comment that assumes teachers are more likely to be pedos while in reality schools are often one of the better protection systems kids have against abuse.
I’m not saying there is an issue. My issue is that the comic is trying to make out that teachers don’t abuse. I don’t see how a pastor who has passed the same necessary background checks as a teacher (this is required in the UK) is any more of a risk than the secular teachers.
I’m not saying there is an issue. My issue is that the comic is trying to make out that teachers don’t abuse.
That’s certainly one of the takes of all time.
I’m fairly certain all the comic is implying is that the person talking about pushing for youth pastors in school secretly has csam on their computer.
But im legitimately interested in how you got that take, just because I don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
I don’t see how a pastor who has passed the same necessary background checks as a teacher (this is required in the UK) is any more of a risk than the secular teachers.
This I agree with in principal, though I would also add that the church (organised religion in general, really) has reputation for protecting it’s members for a reason.
I would also add that the equal checks standard isn’t in every country.
Assuming the odds are the same for both to be a perpetrator, one of those is anecdotally ( possibly statistically ) more likely to receive protection.
I’m more interested in why this comic alleges a youth pastor of something so gross as having CSAM on his device. That’s not a lighthearted or funny accusation.
This I agree with in principal, though I would also add that the church (organised religion in general, really) has reputation for protecting it’s members for a reason.
Plenty of times a Church has reported it’s leaders who were abusing their position and co-operated with law enforcement. My church’s policy is that you report it to the police first.
I imagine it’s from all the times authority figures from religious organisations that are so zealously espousing “think of the children” have ended up being the very thing they are supposedly fighting against.
I can’t speak to the lightheartedness of the intent of the author, but I can say that I personally understand the structure of the humour at play.
Plenty of times a Church has reported it’s leaders who were abusing their position and co-operated with law enforcement.
And plenty of times they’ve done the exact opposite, enough that is is part of the cultural Zeitgeist of multiple nations that religious authority figures have been abusing their power and getting away with it for centuries.
My church’s policy is that you report it to the police first.
I mean this genuinely and not as an attack.
I’m not sure how to address that level of naïveté but i will explain it as best I can.
Firstly, I can’t imagine there is a single policy written anywhere that states “hide the child abuse from the police” as the official position.
Secondly, I’d wager good money that all the religious institutions and staff at all those places would swear up and down that the policy was to report it to the police and it was a few “bad actors” in an otherwise fundamentally good organisation.
The exception possibly being those very insular cults where the abuses are part of the actual doctrine, in those cases they’d admit to it because they don’t see themselves as having some something wrong based on their beliefs.
There are numerous historic and ongoing cases about this, it’s not difficult to find.
Even if you personally (or even all the people you know) are 100% following this guideline, it’s provably true that that isn’t always the case.
“But the rules say we should report them” isn’t strong position to defend any size of organised religion in the face of the sheer number of accusations, arrests and investigations to the contrary.
As I said, and I mean it, this isn’t an attack on you or yours. You could be absolutely correct about your circle, and I have no issues with individual faith (as long as its not forced upon others).
The issue I have is with trying to defend organised religion as a whole using small anecdotal data as a basis.
Honestly, I want you to be right but “trust me bro” isn’t a good argument and you need good arguments, because weak arguments are worse than no arguments at all.
Except more teachers are abusers than priests… Almost like paedophiles are attracted to any role that gives them a position of authority, especially over children.
The Catholic Church has been managing an intergenerational pedophile operation for centuries.
Oi bruv don’t say that or you’ll get extra time in purgatory… Also remember to pay your indulgences for less time in purgatory
Most cases of abuse are perpetuated by family members.
Maybe they want to change it
Truth.
Where can I learn more about this?
I’d love to see your source on that.
What a delightfully quirky way to say “send me a picture of your asshole”.
There’s no way that’s an actual statistic. It’s fine to guess but then say you’re guessing. Don’t mislead.
We actually don’t have any adequate evidence to support that hypothesis because Christians, more specifically Christo-Fascists, have prevented any real investigation into Churches for decades if not centuries.
Are you telling me that school bodies and governments also don’t try and cover stuff up all of the time?
“School bodies”. . .yes. We are one of the most transparent organizations that deal with children. Predator behavior has zero tolerance and there are way more people in education ready to call out a colleague to protect a child than would be willing to cover it up. You should be ashamed for putting false information about this on the net as if you have any idea. Educators get enough grief as is and they take care of our children and guide them into better futures, a great deal of times without adequate resources.
Not really. A large proportion of them are just on a power trip and enjoy having a power trip over the kids. And then they think they are as important as nurses or firefighters for treating your children like cattle. Teachers would downplay everything and lie to the parents and cry over the school’s precious fragile reputation.
Police should check your hard drive.
Have you forgotten that schools traditionally where run by the church where priests and nuns where the effective teachers.
There is also zero evidence that modern teachers who tend to have their own families, are not sexually repressed have a worse problem.
If you want to talk about roles that attract predators, try youth camps of all kinds where kids sleep on location and there generally way less structural oversight.
This post is about youth pastors - so I assume it’s Protestant. Protestants don’t face the same sexual repression as Roman Catholic Priests
The priests and nuns that where originally running the education system where of the repressed catholic kind.
Anyway my point isn’t to assume pastors are pedos it was to refute your comment that assumes teachers are more likely to be pedos while in reality schools are often one of the better protection systems kids have against abuse.
I call shenanigans
The pope liberally admitted that there is a problem with priests and that they are actively trying to protect and hide them from being arrested.
What the fuck are you talking about? If you like sects just go be part of them but don’t try to pretend that they’re fine.
I’m not saying there is an issue. My issue is that the comic is trying to make out that teachers don’t abuse. I don’t see how a pastor who has passed the same necessary background checks as a teacher (this is required in the UK) is any more of a risk than the secular teachers.
That’s certainly one of the takes of all time.
I’m fairly certain all the comic is implying is that the person talking about pushing for youth pastors in school secretly has csam on their computer.
But im legitimately interested in how you got that take, just because I don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
This I agree with in principal, though I would also add that the church (organised religion in general, really) has reputation for protecting it’s members for a reason.
I would also add that the equal checks standard isn’t in every country.
Assuming the odds are the same for both to be a perpetrator, one of those is anecdotally ( possibly statistically ) more likely to receive protection.
I’m more interested in why this comic alleges a youth pastor of something so gross as having CSAM on his device. That’s not a lighthearted or funny accusation.
Plenty of times a Church has reported it’s leaders who were abusing their position and co-operated with law enforcement. My church’s policy is that you report it to the police first.
I imagine it’s from all the times authority figures from religious organisations that are so zealously espousing “think of the children” have ended up being the very thing they are supposedly fighting against.
I can’t speak to the lightheartedness of the intent of the author, but I can say that I personally understand the structure of the humour at play.
And plenty of times they’ve done the exact opposite, enough that is is part of the cultural Zeitgeist of multiple nations that religious authority figures have been abusing their power and getting away with it for centuries.
I mean this genuinely and not as an attack.
I’m not sure how to address that level of naïveté but i will explain it as best I can.
Firstly, I can’t imagine there is a single policy written anywhere that states “hide the child abuse from the police” as the official position.
Secondly, I’d wager good money that all the religious institutions and staff at all those places would swear up and down that the policy was to report it to the police and it was a few “bad actors” in an otherwise fundamentally good organisation.
The exception possibly being those very insular cults where the abuses are part of the actual doctrine, in those cases they’d admit to it because they don’t see themselves as having some something wrong based on their beliefs.
There are numerous historic and ongoing cases about this, it’s not difficult to find.
Even if you personally (or even all the people you know) are 100% following this guideline, it’s provably true that that isn’t always the case.
“But the rules say we should report them” isn’t strong position to defend any size of organised religion in the face of the sheer number of accusations, arrests and investigations to the contrary.
As I said, and I mean it, this isn’t an attack on you or yours. You could be absolutely correct about your circle, and I have no issues with individual faith (as long as its not forced upon others).
The issue I have is with trying to defend organised religion as a whole using small anecdotal data as a basis.
Honestly, I want you to be right but “trust me bro” isn’t a good argument and you need good arguments, because weak arguments are worse than no arguments at all.