• fedupwithbureaucracy@lemmy.world
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      20 hours ago

      Okay so you’re dense. What’s the point of democrats that vote like republicans? Stop trying to make the party far right. Expell those democrats from the party.

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        19 hours ago

        Ideological purity tests are not something we can afford if we are going to try and take majority control and actually progress a sane agenda. We would lose this vote even if 100% of Dems vote against it.

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          19 hours ago

          Moderates. Are. Complicit.

          The possibility of majority control does not exist within today’s democratic party - they exist to lose.

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            18 hours ago

            There is no way to get a majority without including moderates. Never has been, never will be. (At least until we we get rid of FPTP voting which will only happen through Democrats).

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              17 hours ago

              The only thing that’s gonna happen with Democrats is a continued shift to the right. If we overlaid today’s political scale with 1980 Democrats would be to the FAR right of Reagan

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                14 hours ago

                Ah yes, 1980s Republicans were famous for their support of gay marriage and their compassionate take on the AIDS epidemic.

                Do you people even think about these bogus claims before you repeat them?

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                  14 hours ago

                  Democrats as a party did not support gay marriage to benefit LGBTQ communities. They supported it to neuter the political power that we had, that same political power they saw in action during Reagan to get what we wanted for gay rights and AIDS. We were the ones that participated in actual protests that created change. not this ineffective rally BS that liberals call protest. We started to see again in Harris’ campaign they will throw us back under the bus as quick as a Republican.

                  • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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                    8 hours ago

                    The reason is irrelevant to the point that current Democrats are the same as 1980s Republicans. That is just false.