There absolutely was loads of Chinese propaganda. That you think there wasn’t is evidence that it worked too. Tiktok was a major win for China in PR and soft power.
It isn’t though. “Propaganda” has fluid definition, so I was hoping to get on the same page so we could continue the discussion. It’s always helpful to clarify terms before we just talk past each other.
I’m familiar with the comic, but it doesn’t represent the situation here at all. Is asking any sort of clarifying question to someone who is directly in my replies “sealioning” to you? I thought it represented an undesired and obnoxious series of questions by a third party, but I’m one of the primary participants in this conversation.
I don’t know what the guy asking you meant exactly, but in europe tiktok has been a big reason for the rise of far right Parties all across europe. China stands to gain from a divided europe.
First part may be true, but I really don’t think you can directly blame China for that. The app itself is a tiny factor is the rise of the far right which has a lot more to do with the “in real life circumstances”.
I would also disagree that China gains much from a divided Europe. The argument could be made in theory, but it doesn’t align with what i’ve observed From Chinese foreign policy in practice.
The approach of amplifying divisions in other countries is more of a Russian tactic than anything. Russia stands to gain more from a divided Europe, and it would be in alignment with their foreign policy in practice. That said, I also think the Russian influence on these matters is a bit overstated at times, to the point where the actually issues aren’t being discussed. I notice it on the American side of things as well.
There absolutely was loads of Chinese propaganda. That you think there wasn’t is evidence that it worked too. Tiktok was a major win for China in PR and soft power.
I guess it might help if you clarify what sort of content was propaganda to you?
This is just sealioning.
It isn’t though. “Propaganda” has fluid definition, so I was hoping to get on the same page so we could continue the discussion. It’s always helpful to clarify terms before we just talk past each other.
I’m familiar with the comic, but it doesn’t represent the situation here at all. Is asking any sort of clarifying question to someone who is directly in my replies “sealioning” to you? I thought it represented an undesired and obnoxious series of questions by a third party, but I’m one of the primary participants in this conversation.
Not at all.
But your follow up reply definitely seals the deal.
I don’t know what the guy asking you meant exactly, but in europe tiktok has been a big reason for the rise of far right Parties all across europe. China stands to gain from a divided europe.
First part may be true, but I really don’t think you can directly blame China for that. The app itself is a tiny factor is the rise of the far right which has a lot more to do with the “in real life circumstances”.
I would also disagree that China gains much from a divided Europe. The argument could be made in theory, but it doesn’t align with what i’ve observed From Chinese foreign policy in practice.
The approach of amplifying divisions in other countries is more of a Russian tactic than anything. Russia stands to gain more from a divided Europe, and it would be in alignment with their foreign policy in practice. That said, I also think the Russian influence on these matters is a bit overstated at times, to the point where the actually issues aren’t being discussed. I notice it on the American side of things as well.
This is like when my mom (who is on a diet) complains that I don’t throw out the ice cream sandwiches in my freezer before she comes over to visit.