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Show of hands who’s here because they’re not allowed on reddit anymore? 🤚
Is the “polite society” in the room with us right now?
Is it at X-twitter?
The fediverse is not like email. It’s more like a series of decentralized social networks that can communicate with each other.
It’s not just a big truck you pile everything into. It’s a series of tubes!
Ten posts streaming across that, that Fediverse, and what happens to your own personal Fediverse?
The fediverse is more like different countries. Technically you can travel to every other country with your passport and talk to the people there.
But the people running the countries like to put up border controls so you can’t go to countries that don’t align with yours politically, and some ban you just because you’ve visited a country they don’t like in the past.It feels like most of the Fediverse is in Schengen Area. Then hexbear and lemmy.ml are like Russia and Belarus.
i’ve felt the same way except i see lemmy.world like the usa, manufacturing consent and peddling propaganda on the lemmyverse with vassal instances like sopuli and shitjustworks benefiting from it like the vassal states of western europe have done; a lot like how the prime minister of canada explained it recently.
confirmed emails from the ghislaine maxwell case that the isreali oligarchy had been “managing narratives” on reddit in a similar way to that of the epstein illuminati controlled 4chan’s /poll/ with things like qanon & pizzagate makes me feel like i’ve dodged a bullet by staying away from both reddit and the diet-reddits of the lemmyverse.
i fully expect that piefed will be like trump going after greenland and make the people of the vassal lemmy instances realize that their instances will diminish on the lemmyverse like the western europeans will soon realize that their countries will lose prominence on the world’s stage.
those people will find that they must return to reddit or go to piefed to continue receiving their iv drips of isreali/us misinformation and breads-&-circuses meanwhile the center of the lemmy’s original leftist communities & instances like hexbear will keep on going strong like they have been despite the lemmyverse censure in the same way that china prevailed against the western world’s censure to thrive compared to the declining us empire and it’s vassal states.
i fully expect that piefed will be like trump going after greenland and make the people of the vassal lemmy instances realize that their instances will diminish on the lemmyverse like the western europeans will soon realize that their countries will lose prominence on the world’s stage.
Wtf are you on about.
i’m building upon a parallel that @[email protected] created between the lemmyverse and geopolitics.
The fundamental flaw in your observation here is that many lemmy instances (and piefed) aren’t exactly US-friendly in the first place and are federated up with every other instance. And many Piefed instances are run by non-Americans anyway.
I assure you, the alternative to the fediverse is not polite society, not in my experience. Unlike other platforms one is allowed to be wrong here and getting corrected doesn’t trigger the fight, flight, freeze or fawn response.
I’ve always hated the email analogy, it only added to the confusion for me when I was first dipping my toe into Lemmy.
We should just stop explaining federation. If someone wants to give it a try, point them to one instance you like, and let them go there.
If they come from Reddit, it looks similar enough for them to use it.
It’s something that we should semi-explain or be like if you have questions just message / talk to me about it and I’ll give more information.
But yeah we often give to much info and overload people in one go.
The Fediverse is not like email, it’s more like the various BBS networks of the 80s: Tons of anarchy, chaos, StarTrek, politics, lunacy, StarTrek… and cool as hell.
Please keep it this way.
BBSes did have a weirdly prominent Star Trek thing going on in the late 80s/early 90s. I never thought about it enough to see how weird it was other than figuring it was mostly nerds being nerds (in a good way).
Reminds me of this. There’s a couple of roma towns/neighborhoods in Romania that look even more ridiculous. They’re competing with each other to have the tallest house with the most number of little tower thingies or something because I’ve passed through there a couple of years ago and it seems to be getting more and more out of hand.
Reminds me of winter town in Arcachon https://www.arcachon.com/en/je-fais-des-travaux-en/tourism/discovery/exceptional-locations/the-ville-dhiver-winter-town/
The funniest and most shallow thing about that is those houses are often empty on the inside
Could be. Although some are just as ridiculous on the inside
Well that’s just fun.
Stop trying to sell me on it; I’m already here!
Yes. The fediverse is so great I’ve stopped telling people about it.
We fedis know how to keep a secret.First rule of Fediverse…
Too much growth will kill the vibe in this place.
Oh, I can exist in polite society just fine.
It’s just that I don’t want to.
“Polite society” ain’t.
Greetings!
Hello
I prefer the analogy of a fleet of ships - free-traders and pirates alike. Some captains refuse to pass along messages to other captains, and that’s alright, because consent should matter, after all, and someone’s “right to free speech” does (or rather should) not trump my right to not have to listen to their crap, nor my right if I were a captain to not have to platform it.
So you pick a captain that shares your values, or perhaps you become one of your own.
PieFed has made huge strides in cross-community visibility (multi-communities and combining comments across cross-posts), and in explaining what each instance is all about (see https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser), and in migration of whole entire communities between instances.
The Fediverse is not like email. It’s like self-hosting your own email server. 🤔😝 But it’s getting better. And people will put up with complexity if they see the value behind doing so - it’s just that with so little content, and what content there is being so toxic, especially to newcomers, that it’s not worth much of a hassle for them to keep trying whenever they hit a hurdle. Lowering the barriers will help enormously with that, as will increasing the level of enrichment to power through.
Crosspost comment consolidation helps with that issue.
Already available on Piefed, planned on Lemmy 1.0.
planned on Lemmy 1.0.
Closed as not planned: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/3415
How does this interact with moderation? I never considered that viable because how wildly… Shall we say diverse .ml, .world, and the rest of the fediverses’ moderation schemes are.
Each community’s comments are separated although still on the same page. Here is a good example - https://piefed.social/c/technology/p/1765981/google-sent-personal-and-financial-information-of-student-journalist-to-ice
That’s cool! I just wish the header was more subtle, but that’s only a css thing
Oh, that’s neat.
Thanks for the example :)
I must be missing something because I only see two main comments on that post and the sub comments.
I’m on voyager app tho so that’s likely a limiting feature even tho it’s supposed to be working on that comparability.
Can you show me a screenshot of what you meant to show?
You could just pop it open in your browser… don’t even need an account.
Hypothetically yes, but I only ever accessed fediverse through non-apps briefly before I swapped to the app. I was part of the Reddit app-based exodus. That was the whole reason I came here; to support app devs.
If it’s not reflected in apps, lots of people will never see it. That’s all. I can go out of my way to see it but I don’t see it in my normal interface. Voyager is still working on full piefed support
I think some of us are just kind of used to checking things directly since certain features and concepts may not yet be implemented in things like clients due to being, essentially, the bleeding edge.
Yeah, I get it. You more techie people tend to assume everyone does what you do, and that’s fine, but totally unrealistic overall. I’m not nearly as techie as you probably are, but more than your average user, and tbh the barrier here is pretty high already, even without those assumptions of capability.
If they won’t do the work on other platforms, they certainly won’t here. Y’all need to stop pretending they will. It’s not doing any favors I’m sorry.
Where might one find one of these “polite societies”?
