“The bottom line is this: Donald Trump is setting new records for himself in term No. 2, setting new records for himself compared to where he was at this time in term No. 1. And he is doing worse than Biden, which is of course a comparison that Donald Trump does not want to be because we all know what happened to Joe Biden,” noted Enten after running through the numbers.
And yet you have people on here bitching about how Obama/Biden Clinton where so much worse because Dems bad.
Still wild to me that people continue to act shocked that Dem voters have higher standards than Republican voters…
And they still want the path forward to be “dem voters just vote for anyone” while we’re actively living thru how that worked out for Republicans.
Like, wouldn’t the logical path be to ensure the next candidate to make it to the general is charismatic and has policy at least as far to the left as the Dems voter base?
We could just run candidates who are more progressive, and then when they win, they’ll actually try to fix shit. Then we won’t just hand it back to Republicans like Biden did.
I just can’t see any logic in your position
The problem is retrospective rose colored lenses that dismiss the win that is our new goalposts. Obama didn’t suck. He helped us expect even more by moving things forward.
Proposing running better candidates isn’t the same as ‘genocide joe’ was objectively worse and did x/y/z things that means the D’s are bad compared even to the current situation. It’d be lovely to get some younger, more progressive sorts out there, but when the alternative is what we have now and people stay home because someone doesn’t pass their ideals test that’s a bad trade for all of us.
This sentiment exactly has been the primary DNC election strategy for the past 10 years. How has it worked out for America?
No. Just no. We have to demand better and actively seek out better candidates in the primaries. The age of corporate hegemony must come to an end if the country is to survive.
If we ran a better candidate…
Then people wouldn’t be saying that stuff about them.
Like, those people weren’t the reason Biden lost. They were trying desperately to warn everyone that Biden was going to lose.
And a big part of why Kamala lost is she didn’t understand that and thought people personally didn’t like Biden, so she literally and repeatedly said she’d have made all the same decisions as Biden.
Like, you do get that right?
If a women says a wound is infected and without amputation the patient will die, if the patient refuses amputation and dies, it doesn’t mean we burn the medicine woman as a witch for killing him.
It means next time we should listen to her when she warns us, because she was right.
All youre worried about, is burning the witch because that makes you feel like you solved the problem and are preventing it. But you’re not, so you’re gonna keep burning innocent’s and genuinely believing your the solution and not the one ensuring people keep dying of infections.
You’re just causing even more damage.
People don’t understand how voting between two candidates works.
Ironic.
I would be more inclined to view it as she’s actively trying to dissuade people from helping the patient that everyone knows is sick.
I think the issue is you’re saying “she” meaning Hillary or Kamala…
Meaning that because I used the example of a medicine woman/witch, you seem to have assumed it represented Hillary/Kamala just because it’s a woman.
Is that what happened?
No, I’m using ‘she’ in the context of the medicine woman in your story, or more simply, those continually suggesting non-support for the Democrat party because of their failings. The math of our system allows for two parties at most in the sense of presidential elections.
Rather than seeking to push people away from the D’s it would be a far more beneficial thing to work to implement local and state level rank choice or similar system votes. Until that happens it’s a choice of 2 options, and one, while dull and stagnant, is leagues ahead of the other in terms of treating the population with some level of civility and dignity.
That may be the confusion…
Because absolutely no one had said anything Bout that till now…
No one’s doing that either.
Hillary/Kamala are not the party.
Neoliberals are not the party.
None of them have any political power anymore, especially not at the DNC.