Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    8·
    7 hours ago

    The ICC has an arrest warrant on Putin for these abductions.

    Putin has used a ukaz/presidential decree to streamline the process of Ukrainian children being made Russian.

    Here’s your Independent Journalistic Report:

    “It happens, for example, that they go with their parents from the occupied territories through Russia to some third countries. Russians can detain parents, arrest, put them in prison, just take their child to their boarding school. Like, go where you wanted, but your child will stay with us. There are cases when Russians enter a house somewhere in the occupied territory, the child tells them that he lives with his mother, who just went to the store or for water, but they take this child, actually kidnap him, and he finds himself in Russia. I am not talking about the so-called evacuation of children’s boarding institutions from the occupied territories to Russia - this is a separate pain, "says Daria Kasyanova.

    But sure, keep telling the world it’s only Ukrainian propaganda. I’m ending this conversation here to log off, I’ve got better things to do than deal with a debatebro hexbear user trying to excuse genocide.

    • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
      35·
      7 hours ago

      I cannot read in Ukrainian, but if the article contains independent verification of the tens of thousands figure, I’d love to see that section translated. What you quoted are anecdotal events, not evidence of tens of thousands, which is what I’m questioning. I’m not doubting some war crimes are being carried out, of course thats the case, I’m just saying they’re not nearly widespread enough to constitute genocide, as evidenced by the lack of support by essentially any country to such claims.

      You can leave the conversation if you want, but the figure of “tens of thousands” literally comes from the Ukrainian government. Per the Wikipedia article of the Abductions:

      Ukrainian authorities have verified the identities of over 19,000 abducted children, compiling and actively updating the data as part of an online platform: “Children of War”

      You are free to believe this figure if you want, but you’ll also be called on it when you use it to justify baseless claims of genocide which minimize what’s happening in Palestine. I’m not carrying water for Russia, I have given evidence of me heavily criticizing Putin in my main account, and believe me or not I actually hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my home when the war began. But it is not a genocide, that’s very harmful to Palestinians.

      • nat1@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        4·
        3 hours ago

        So the person who believes Soviet documentation, will turn around and not believe Ukrainian documentation. How convenient this makes your genocide denial.

        You even mention the site showing where you can browse the tens of thousands of missing Ukrainian children, and see the ones who have been returned. You can go find testimonials from those returned children, but still you believe Russian war time propaganda over that.

        The utter arrogance and hate to call these unjustified claims when they are backed up by evidence is astounding, but one should expect no less from someone so ideologically driven to manipulate and distort to fit their narrative.

        • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
          13·
          3 hours ago

          You even mention the site showing where you can browse

          Yes, I can browse unconfirmed pictures, not very useful

          You can go find testimonials from those returned children

          Returned? How? Wasn’t Russia kidnapping them? Why would they return children kidnapped with genocidal intent?

          Again, I’m not doubting the existence of war crimes and of some children being kidnapped, I’m doubting the propagandistic numbers about it until I have independent journalistic confirmation of the scope of it. Doubting Nayirah’s Testimony was the correct choice 30 years ago.