I’m not defending tipping culture, I’m just saying that it doesn’t benefit the consumer. And it’s not like places that have tipping are cheaper than those who don’t.
We have a coffee shop in town that does not allow tipping because they pay a living wage. If you try to tip them, even if it’s just a “keep the change” they’ll refuse but offer to subtract it from the next person’s order. Their prices are lower than Starbucks for much better coffee.
You’re very obviously not defending tipping culture. I am defending tipping culture as an organic solution to a structural issue. Is it a good solution? Not really, but more equitable than not tipping in the current state of society.
Your argument so far (as it reads by me) appears to suggest we should all stop tipping and the market will magically correct itself because (sometimes?) you go to a coffee shop that chooses to be more internally equitable.
I want to believe you have some plan as to how we get to a situation where restaurants (like McDonalds) are expected to pay a living wage, but right now, hoping that they do it voluntarily strains credibility.
Can you give me more of what you propose than “maybe not tipping is better” and “I know of a restaurant that voluntarily fixed this issue”.
I just used the coffee shop as an example of higher wages not meaning higher prices, which is a super common argument against talks about using policy to get rid of the tipped wage minimum in favor of the standard minimum wage (and increasing the standard minimum wage).
I’m not defending tipping culture, I’m just saying that it doesn’t benefit the consumer. And it’s not like places that have tipping are cheaper than those who don’t.
We have a coffee shop in town that does not allow tipping because they pay a living wage. If you try to tip them, even if it’s just a “keep the change” they’ll refuse but offer to subtract it from the next person’s order. Their prices are lower than Starbucks for much better coffee.
You’re very obviously not defending tipping culture. I am defending tipping culture as an organic solution to a structural issue. Is it a good solution? Not really, but more equitable than not tipping in the current state of society.
Your argument so far (as it reads by me) appears to suggest we should all stop tipping and the market will magically correct itself because (sometimes?) you go to a coffee shop that chooses to be more internally equitable.
I want to believe you have some plan as to how we get to a situation where restaurants (like McDonalds) are expected to pay a living wage, but right now, hoping that they do it voluntarily strains credibility.
Can you give me more of what you propose than “maybe not tipping is better” and “I know of a restaurant that voluntarily fixed this issue”.
I just used the coffee shop as an example of higher wages not meaning higher prices, which is a super common argument against talks about using policy to get rid of the tipped wage minimum in favor of the standard minimum wage (and increasing the standard minimum wage).