Not so much trolls, just the majority of users. Most tech related forums are like this. Such is life.
Preferring humanist over feminist is kind of nonsensical. Feminism roots are in gender inequality and voting rights. Modern feminism (last 40 or so years) is focused on oppression theory and is the evolution of humanism in modern times.
It is like saying I prefer astronomer over astrophysicist. It doesn’t really make sense because they are different things from different times.
I never said it was anti-feminist to say you are against torture leading to murder (this of course did not actually happen in regards to Genghis and castration). In fact, feminism did not exist during the time of Ghenghis Khan nor did humanism.
Whenever examining history from a modern lense we should recognize the way we think and our motivations are significantly different from previous generations let alone several hundred years.
I said you were not a feminist. I am also not a feminist even though I have spent a lot of time at Uni and later on in my personal life studying it. I am what you would call an ally. If I am wrong about you, my apologies.
I am not an authority and yes I definitely filled in the blank. I am very good at guessing motivations, and as I said you showed some red flags right away with you story trying to conflate man-haters with feminism. This is such a common trope it shows your hand so to speak. If this was not your intention I understand.
I am sorry, but I did not mean to imply you said we should forgive abusers. I think a humanist perspective that looks towards rehabilitation and change rather than punishment is a great ideal. One that we are sorely lacking in modern times.
If you are not sure why a comic of a white male “man-splaining” something nonsensical to two women and then in the next panel the women having a conflict over race is offensive then I am not sure we view things as the same way.
As I pointed out it is a gross misrepresentation of modern feminism. Without humanism there wouldn’t have been feminism and without feminism we would not have gotten minority studies that revealed through research institutionalized racism.
This is a direct threat to the ruling class hence the constant lies and propaganda pushback feminism has received. So you if you have an issue with feminism please bring receipts because I am a passionate human being who has studied it for years and I have daughters and grandkids.
My daughters experienced sexual assault and I got to deal with the police and see how the modern system works. The pushback from the Metoo movement is intense with prosecutors, police officers, and judges using their discretion to perpetuate a system of blatant sexism. My cynical side says they are either rapists themselves or enablers.
You are going to get what you want to get. If you don’t feel welcomed to participate that is your decision. I am not a mod and I am not here to welcome anyone on a post that would attract the worst kind of people. I said my two cents and I often find myself getting involved when I should probably just walk away. It is a personal failing of mine.
Firstly I’m so sorry that your children experienced sexual assault. I wish them both justice and healing.
I typed up a long reply with references that I ended up deleting because it didn’t seem appropriate right now.
I have multiple genuine criticisms of feminism that come from actual feminist scholars about its interaction with the class and power structure, embedding of western imperialistic epistemology in it and others. None of it is because I’m opposed to equity or women’s rights. At the end of the day no philosophy is perfect and the actual practitioners are even less so. That is why it makes sense to talk about it and work on it.
I want to ask are you doing okay friend? It seems like you’re not.
I still have made only a singular point, that someone can prefer the label humanist over feminist despite agreeing with everything feminism might say without being a ‘chud’.
You have created strawman after strawman through this conversation, accusing me of conflating man haters with feminists, defending the sexual assault and genocide of Genghis Khan, diagnosing me as being ignorant of what humanism or feminism is, of not caring enough to study either, agreeing with white mansplaining, diagnosing me as having a litany of problems with women and being full of red flags and so on. I’ve tried to engage you from a place of good faith, even after the cruel remark of asking if I were sexually assaulted by women and trying to use that to frame me as a woman hater. You’re fighting something that isn’t there.
I left the original comment because I thought it might make you think that there are real people who don’t fit the categories that have become drivers of the culture war. It pays to listen to each other. Instead it seems like my comments have caused you unnecessary distress and I apologize for that.
Not so much trolls, just the majority of users. Most tech related forums are like this. Such is life.
Preferring humanist over feminist is kind of nonsensical. Feminism roots are in gender inequality and voting rights. Modern feminism (last 40 or so years) is focused on oppression theory and is the evolution of humanism in modern times.
It is like saying I prefer astronomer over astrophysicist. It doesn’t really make sense because they are different things from different times.
I never said it was anti-feminist to say you are against torture leading to murder (this of course did not actually happen in regards to Genghis and castration). In fact, feminism did not exist during the time of Ghenghis Khan nor did humanism.
Whenever examining history from a modern lense we should recognize the way we think and our motivations are significantly different from previous generations let alone several hundred years.
I said you were not a feminist. I am also not a feminist even though I have spent a lot of time at Uni and later on in my personal life studying it. I am what you would call an ally. If I am wrong about you, my apologies.
I am not an authority and yes I definitely filled in the blank. I am very good at guessing motivations, and as I said you showed some red flags right away with you story trying to conflate man-haters with feminism. This is such a common trope it shows your hand so to speak. If this was not your intention I understand.
I am sorry, but I did not mean to imply you said we should forgive abusers. I think a humanist perspective that looks towards rehabilitation and change rather than punishment is a great ideal. One that we are sorely lacking in modern times.
If you are not sure why a comic of a white male “man-splaining” something nonsensical to two women and then in the next panel the women having a conflict over race is offensive then I am not sure we view things as the same way.
As I pointed out it is a gross misrepresentation of modern feminism. Without humanism there wouldn’t have been feminism and without feminism we would not have gotten minority studies that revealed through research institutionalized racism.
This is a direct threat to the ruling class hence the constant lies and propaganda pushback feminism has received. So you if you have an issue with feminism please bring receipts because I am a passionate human being who has studied it for years and I have daughters and grandkids.
My daughters experienced sexual assault and I got to deal with the police and see how the modern system works. The pushback from the Metoo movement is intense with prosecutors, police officers, and judges using their discretion to perpetuate a system of blatant sexism. My cynical side says they are either rapists themselves or enablers.
You are going to get what you want to get. If you don’t feel welcomed to participate that is your decision. I am not a mod and I am not here to welcome anyone on a post that would attract the worst kind of people. I said my two cents and I often find myself getting involved when I should probably just walk away. It is a personal failing of mine.
Firstly I’m so sorry that your children experienced sexual assault. I wish them both justice and healing.
I typed up a long reply with references that I ended up deleting because it didn’t seem appropriate right now.
I have multiple genuine criticisms of feminism that come from actual feminist scholars about its interaction with the class and power structure, embedding of western imperialistic epistemology in it and others. None of it is because I’m opposed to equity or women’s rights. At the end of the day no philosophy is perfect and the actual practitioners are even less so. That is why it makes sense to talk about it and work on it.
I want to ask are you doing okay friend? It seems like you’re not.
I still have made only a singular point, that someone can prefer the label humanist over feminist despite agreeing with everything feminism might say without being a ‘chud’. You have created strawman after strawman through this conversation, accusing me of conflating man haters with feminists, defending the sexual assault and genocide of Genghis Khan, diagnosing me as being ignorant of what humanism or feminism is, of not caring enough to study either, agreeing with white mansplaining, diagnosing me as having a litany of problems with women and being full of red flags and so on. I’ve tried to engage you from a place of good faith, even after the cruel remark of asking if I were sexually assaulted by women and trying to use that to frame me as a woman hater. You’re fighting something that isn’t there.
I left the original comment because I thought it might make you think that there are real people who don’t fit the categories that have become drivers of the culture war. It pays to listen to each other. Instead it seems like my comments have caused you unnecessary distress and I apologize for that.