Ain’t much better in here kid.
It is, here we have hopeTM
And instances can turn off downvotes!
Turning off downvotes is terrible. There should either be no voting, or up and down votes, with both displayed separately. This “upvote” only nonsense was created by corporate sites to make everything look popular for increased engagement, therefore increased ad views. No idea why Lemmy would follow that example.
I support downvotes too, even if it doesn’t look like it from the post. If it’s used correctly, it’s a really good system.
pretty sure because there’s a bunch of amateur porn communities, and people generally stop posting pics of themselves if they get downvoted.
so, since downvotes literally kill those communities, they added the ability to not display downvotes.
my only gripe with this is, that it’s apparently an instance-wide toggle, which is a bit inconvenient…
I think it happens all over and sometimes it really kind of depends on how long your argument is and the general impression people get from the first part of it. If you’re making a devil’s advocate argument in the first part, but then the twist comes later on, people are going to think your first devil’s advocate argument is the gist of it and downvote you based on that alone without getting into the nitty gritty. If people can form a knee-jerk reaction within the first few seconds of reading your post, they will, nuance gets lost.
I tend to leave really long comments, sometimes with a bit of raw information, so I see how that can be the case. Some communities like reading all the way trough, but I’m pretty sure that in some places, they don’t even read my username, just vote based on my avatar.
You have 2 down votes currently, so I’m going to downvote without reading. Sorry, thems the rules.
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It’s also a lot of bots. They are here too. For example, just say China plus something negative about them,
in a thread about China. Easiest downvoted one can get. Make sure it’s a fact and not whataboutism, to avoid contaminating the test.I mostly see them on political communities, but based on your downvotes, they might be getting out
It’s two downvotes (at least on lemmy.ml at this point in time). Is it hard to imagine that 2 out of 16 people could dislike seeing someone say that anything that doesn’t fit their narrative is the result of bots?
At the time of writing that comment, it was 2 - 2, with one upvote from me.
Is it still -2 for you though?
What makes you think it isn’t just real people?
It’s almost always instantly. Like sometimes second after posting. Then it either snowballs or it goes back into positive. But initially, be it on Lemmy or Reddit it happens. I’m not constantly complaining about China, the handful of times though, it’s super obvious. Doesn’t happen on other topics.
My dude, there are plenty of actual automated bots on Reddit. IIRC when Reddit cracked down hard on bot accounts recently, over half of users and participation in many subreddits also decreased. That alone says that there is artificial engagement on Reddit rather than genuine human interaction (which vindicates the dead Internet theory). It explains a lot as to why a very innocent and neutral comment somehow gets a downvote: they are just bots downvoting.
Even here in Lemmy, there are downvotes on the same benign comments and no explanation as to why someone would disagree. But even if the comment is political in nature, there are downvotes but no feedback as to why one would disagree. There is a post on c/climate on European Greens calling for Jill Stein not to run for US presidential elections because she would just siphon the votes from liberals and progressives even though she will not win. And many comments on that post are getting half or a third of downvotes, but there are no accompanying disagreeing comments to explain the disagreement. It is clear that there are bots in that post who are trying to downplay the repercussions of Stein running to US elections and democracy.
Some of us downvote without leaving a comment, that in and of itself isn’t indicative of bot activity.
A tap of a vote is low effort and easy.
I know some people down vote and don’t discuss, but it’s very strange in a political discussion when you don’t get a pushback but getting so many downvotes.
I don’t really understand what you’re getting at.
People often downvote without posting a comment as explanation.
I’ve noticed lemmy users do this more than reddit.
The explanation is simply that they don’t like the vibe of what you’re saying but don’t know how to respond.
For example, I definitely see the decrease in frequency, or not at all, on Reddit philosophy getting into frontpage despite having millions of subscribers. Many posts from r/philosophy often would gain thousands of up votes landing them into the front page. However, since Reddit’s crack down on bot activities, I see r/philosophy posts getting only a fraction of the number of up votes they used to get, which makes almost none of the posts go into the front page. It is clear evidence that bots manipulate the votes.
I don’t know about you, but others also noticed completely innocuous and benign comments just getting a downvote. Before I would chalk it up to people just down voting for no reason or to downvote others to propel their own content at the expense of others; but after what transpired with Reddit’s crackdown on bot activities and user participation just so happened to decreased significantly? One would have to admit or acknowledge there is deliberate manipulation on what contents get to be seen or promoted long before and even as we speak.
I think you might be talking about vote fuzzing. This denies bots the ability to check whether they’re banned.
Votes shown are inaccurate by a few votes . You can’t check whether your vote was recorded by refreshing the page.
Stop talking about Reddit.
Reddit hivemind has been a thing for the entire history of Reddit.
But not this strong. Since the fuck spez event, you can barely get any answers in the help subs, and you get instantly downvoted when you say something different. They once banned me from a subreddit and suspended me for 7 days from the entire platform because I said „No”. This place is much better, but it feels empty.
Might depend on the sub but it’s always been part of my experience on reddit. I’ve already been downvoted to something like - 70 for explaining commonly misunderstood game mechanics cause I’m a nerd and when I really like a game I like to know how it works in detail. Those were easily verifiable facts.
Out of interest, which game was it?
Zombie mode from CoD. Most people play it casually but there is a handful of people trying to push the mode to its limit and I’m pretty much in-between those two groups, I lack the skill from the top players but I’m more dedicated and knowledgeable than the casual crowd.
Don’t worry, it is empty and thats what makes it better.
Oh and there is already a hive mind mentality on Lemmy.
BTW, I think spez is bottotting shit to inflate reddit usage, and hive mind hijacking is a easy way to do so.
I haven’t seen the hivemind stuff here yet luckily. Also, what is „hive mind hijacking”, I haven’t heard about that before.
I think you might need to take a look at lemmygrad or hexbear, they are a hivemind.
And hijacking as in gathering the time between a certain number of votes (in general) and letting the bots they use vote as well and in a non obvious way. At least thats basically how I coded my reddit bots back in the days…
They might be blocked on lemmy.world, I haven’t ran into them in a long time. Also, thanks for the explanation!
They are, hexbear users were downright unbearable. (Heh)
Oh yeah, also their giga emote spams, but also just generally annoying.
That’s not specific to Reddit. That’s just how humanity behaves in large groups. We’re just too damn tribal.
