Comrade_Spood

Dude you arent even debating me, when the fuck did I say there aren’t fair elections? You are literally hitting me with a loaded question. If thats the way this is going to go, then I’m done engaging with this cause you clearly don’t give a shit about having a mutual conversation.

Bro all I am trying to tell you is communism does not inherently mean authoritarian dictatorship. Also if we care so much about how Marx defined communism and that that definition is all that matters then no, socialism and communism are the same thing because that is how he defined them. Lenin is who changed that. But since all we apparently care about is how Marx defined it I guess we can toss out Lenin’s adaptions (fine by me, I hate Lenin).

You gotta stop giving people so much authority. Marx didn’t invent communism, he just created the most popular interpretation and analysis of it. And other people have taken that and adapted and expanded it, Marx does not own the idea. There are hundreds of different ideas and adaptions to Marx’s ideas, if your whole perception of communism is based on Marx and the Marxist-Leninist versions you are working with a very narrow understanding of communism.

Dude, you have no idea what communism is. Any example you pull for communism is likely going to be Marxist-Leninism. And yes the differences between various communist ideologies does matter, because there are various ideologies of democracy and yes some work better than others.

Literally all communism is boiled down to is workers owning their workplaces cooperatively.

You have an issue with Marxist-Leninism, which fair it fucking sucks. Marxist-Leninism differs from other communist ideologies because it believes the working class is not prepared to own their workplaces yet and so require a vanguard party made up of revolutionaries who know better than everyone else and they will manage everything on behalf of the workers.

You me, and most other people can spot the issue with this. That being, power is centralized into a one party state and thus becomes a dictatorship hell bent on maintaining its control. Democracy and communism are not antithetical to each other. Rosa Luxemburg believed freedom of speech and democracy were necessary for communism. Council Communism is also a communist ideology that puts a lot of emphasis on a free and democratic government made up of democratic workers councils.

Nah, if my support of them results in that money going to fascists, I don’t care how much good they do. I am not going to support them. Expecting the people you work with and support to uphold certain basic values is not a huge expectation. The people they are supporting actively advocate and support racist and fascistic conspiracies. It is not that much to ask that Framework avoid them and support other open source developers. Its insane to not even have that level of standards. There are loads of open source developers, and people are just asking them to avoid the ones openly being racist.

If you don’t think boycotting them till they renounce that support is reasonable, then I don’t think we have any common ground to work with.

If Framework would drop support, I’ll gladly get onw of their computers and support them. Till then, I ain’t touching them and will stick with my current computer

Damn, I didn’t even know about Framework. Wish they weren’t supportin fascists, cause I’d totally get a laptop from them.

Everything only works with the right kind of people. No system is perfect and will always have people who disagree and work to destabilize it and change it. Like America isnt falling to fascism for no reason. So we should at least work towards as free and kind of a world that we can

I agree with you, but also I’m not gonna say no if they did implement UBI. Anarchist mutual aid is better than money, but UBI is better than nothing