Formerly /u/Zagorath on the alien site.

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Cake day: June 15th, 2023

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  • Whoops, late reply. Sorry.

    it removes the ability for the most depraved and power-hungry people to achieve high office with any frequency. The real problem with power is that it attracts evil people like moths to a flame

    I genuinely believe a lot of people get into politics for the right reasons. Some of them might have bad ideologies, but they genuinely believe they can make a difference for good. But the political system works against this goal, exactly as you describe.

    Sortition solves this problem entirely. I like the idea of maybe just using it to select 3 candidates. That way the voters can hopefully prevent the real crazies from winning office, if one happens to have their lot drawn

    To me, sortition works best in situations where there isn’t just a single person. You don’t do sortition for president, you do it for a council, a parliament, an inquiry, a board, or, obviously, a jury. That, by its very nature, prevents the one crazy from taking charge and causing havoc.

    I do think there are some issues with sortition when it comes to providing actual leadership. It’s a great approach to figure out what policies to go for, but who does foreign diplomacy? Who meets leaders of other countries? Who makes hard in-the-moment decisions in times of war? In some circumstances, there is an actual advantage to people with experience being at the highest rungs of politics. I’m sure there would be a way to deal with that in sortition, but it’s at least worth considering.


  • I unironically really like the idea of sortition. I’m not convinced it could or should make up the totality of all governance, but for at least broad strokes/high level decisionmaking I think a group of random people given access to a variety of expert opinions and the resources to help consult more broadly could come up with something that is genuinely a good outcome. I’d especially like to see it tried out at the local level, around things like development approvals/zoning laws, street design, locations of parks, libraries, and other public facilities, and the other important work done by councils. I believe the power of local people making decisions about their local community would be a really powerful way to get around NIMBYs.




  • I’m not particularly surprised about China. They’re making big advances in this area. Their continued growth in carbon emissions is alongside growth in renewables because their total energy usage is growing insanely fast.

    With cars specifically, think about cars you’ve seen on the road here in Australia. Of the EVs, where have you seen them from? Apart from Teslas, the vast majority I’ve seen have been either Chinese or Korean.


  • As an Australian I don’t find this beautiful at all 😠 We only have a single tiny territory (our equivalent of America’s DC) with any phase out plans. Our government is just so incredibly beholden to fossil fuel interests. It’s incredibly frustrating.

    But Japan is one that surprises me, considering how slow their domestic industry has been to adopt electric cars compared to China and Korea. I thought they were going in on hydrogen, despite it not really making serious progress.

    (Although an obligatory [email protected] and reminder that even EVs are terrible for the environment and are much worse societally than public transport and bikes.)


  • The way overhangs are handled is one of the key differences between Germany and New Zealand, as I understand it. New Zealand makes no effort to level its parliament, and simply accepts overhangs as a distortion of the pure proportionality. I like the simplicity of it, but for fairness I think Germany’s system is probably better. The new system is almost like the inverse of how I suggested party seats should work, which I quite like.

    One thing I don’t particularly like is the 5% minimum both countries use. It’s not unreasonable to have a minimum I think, but it’s unfortunate for all the voters whose vote is essentially wasted because they didn’t support a popular enough party. It’s a less severe version of the problem FPTP has, IMO. Over 13% of voters had their vote completely wasted in last weekend’s election. It’d be nice if there was, like, a preferential system, where if your first choice of party doesn’t get 5%, it can go to another party of your choice instead. BSW voters, for example, might have chosen to give their vote to Linke, and FDP voters to Union. So the end result would have been:

    • Union: 207
    • AfD: 131
    • SDP: 103 or 104 (depending on rounding)
    • Grune: 73
    • Linke: 86 or 87
    • SSW: 1
    • Plus more to whichever of those parties the 28 seats’ worth of “other” voters gave their 2nd preference to

    I’ve also often been curious how it would work if the local seats were elected not by FPTP but by IRV. Would that have a positive or negative effect on the representation, or not really have much effect at all? I don’t think any place has done it, and I don’t even know if anyone has seriously sat down and theory-crafted it.





  • I actually really like it as a system. Though I prefer a version where instead of using a party list you use the “nearest loser” to decide who fills the proportional seats. It or STV (though preferably on a slightly larger scale than how Australia currently uses it in our Senate—electing 10–20 representatives per electorate rather than our 6) would be my favourite systems.

    MMP, if we’re comparing it to a fully proportional system, has a few distinct advantages. Many but not all relate to it having a local representative. You might not know who yours is, but plenty of people do. Even if you don’t though, having one specific person be your primary contact with politics is useful when public pressure campaigns happen. It’s easier to say “write to your MP” than to say “write to a whole bunch of MPs. Which ones? I dunno, all of them I guess?” It also means you have a politician who is specifically supposed to help look after your area’s needs. Who can push for local infrastructure upgrades etc.

    It also gives you the option of doing something other than party-list proportional representation. If you don’t do local representatives, the only feasible way to decide which MPs are elected by each party is for the party to decide. Which, IMO, I don’t like. If a party puts someone near the top of their list who is deeply unpopular, despite the party as a whole being popular, voters should be able to say “nah, not him”. With MMP, you can use a system like “nearest loser” where the people who get elected via the proportional system are the people who came closest to winning in their local seat, demonstrating that, out of the people who were not directly elected locally, they are at least the most popular in their electorate. I don’t believe either Germany or New Zealand actually do this, but it’s at least an option.