yeah that ties in to my other comment; it’s not political in american english culture (well it is, but only to chuds), but other countries don’t have the same context for this stuff. and when those cultural barriers are crossed without knowing the differences, there is bound to be friction.
yeah smaller languages have taken longer to adapt to that change, because it started in the anglophone world and the concepts of gendered language don’t translate well. it’s like how the word “man” in english used to mean “human” and not be gendered at all, and when language is updated to remove the – now gendered – word and then translated, the translation stops making any sense because the context of a word is so different.
i always give massive leeway when language is involved, because the culture around progressive language is basically 99% centred on the US.
i can offer some context to that, but first let’s clear up that all the documentation has since been updated to use second-person pronouns, making it both friendlier and gender neutral. kling is fully on-board with that change.
the issue came in right after the big wave of people doing drive-by “code of conduct” PRs. there was a plague of accounts that only did that, and had no other connections to either projects or people. this is obviously a form of political activism, and while it’s not malicious, it does get in the way for volunteer developers of big open-source projects who are usually already swamped with work they’re not paid for. so creating these giant documents that have not been pre-discussed with the team doing the project is disruptive and misguided. having a code of conduct is good, but it needs to match the project.
anyway, in the middle of this a big PR comes in which changes shitloads of documentation. the standard PR view doesn’t show each change, it just shows “n files changed, +n lines -n lines”, and a description talking about “gender-neutral language”. now, kling is not a “typical” developer. he’s a former addict who started doing serenity and ladybird as therapy/rehab. i don’t know what that’s like, but i imagine it means you don’t have a lot of mental overhead for things you don’t want to do. so kling saw the description and the massive change set and didn’t want to deal with it.
it took a while but he was convinced to change it. if he had not, i would not be as charitable.
this is incorrect. we recently added a neuter singular pronoun. “hen” was introduced in 2009, and not widely used until like 2019. Also, in technical documentation, masculine pronouns were taught as the default to use (both in swedish and in english) when i was in university in the early 10s. this has changed now, but it definitely wasn’t on the table when kling was in school.
well if you want to get into it, i think the last browser that didn’t have mozilla in the useragent was internet explorer, which had “trident/9.0” or something. every other browser on the market is based on the old KDE browser Konqueror, which had “khtml, like gecko” in it. when that didn’t work they just added “mozilla” to it. then apple took that codebase and added “safari”, chrome took that codebase and added “chrome”, etc etc etc. compatibility problems just kept compounding on every browser based on khtml until we got to the point where microsoft edge’s current user agent is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/134.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/134.0.0.
even firefox has had to give in to this: my useragent is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:140.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/140.0 even though the version of gecko in firefox 140 is v125, from 2022.
it’s even stupider, it’s more like why there is no windows 9 because of programs doing stuff like if os.name.startswith("windows 9") then print("this program is not compatible with windows 98") end
there are “annoyances” lists you can activate that are mostly cosmetic filters
that’s a shame, they’re very good panels
then i hope your SO has lead-lined pyjamas
wait, what? why not? it works for the rest of the world…
any plans to appease the cohost crowd and allow css in posts?
surely traffic lights pre-date automatics?
seems like a pretty good reason for revoking a licence to me
i will never understand why us traffic lights go immediately from red to green. you have a whole-ass third light to use for signaling that the light is about to change, so people don’t have to floor it due to an unexpected change.
i mean the character also specifically says they’re evil.
plastic recycling is a way of producers to shift blame onto consumers and has been shown to not affect new plastic production basically at all, because recycled plastic just makes for worse plastic.
environmentalism is good, but plastic recycling is not going to make the world better.
i don’t know if i would take this study as “knowledge”. that map of the us? it’s just a map of chargers, not of data from the study. reading the study, they were only measuring in one county. there’s no categorisation of the type of fast charger they measured, just “a variety”. the error bars overlap enough that this could all be errors. and why only measure at fast chargers and gas stations? why not at other high-power electrical systems like transformer yards in urban areas? they alno have fans, surely.
question is, why publish it if it is so obviously (and willfully) wrong?
i’m not really talking about the grammar, but about the cultural meanings of the words. there may be implied gender in a mode of speaking even in a language without gendered pronouns. my grandmother would always assume people i was talking about were male if i didn’t use a gendered pronoun (like i would be talking about a colleague by referring to them as “my colleague”) because that’s the “cultural default” here still. it has changed a lot in the past five-ten years but it’s still the default.
and i actually don’t know where we got “hen” from. i do know that it was not originally meant to be an actual gender-neutral pronoun, but as a placeholder where gender is unknown or unimportant. it was created to replace the more cumbersome “han/hon” in legal texts, and not meant to be used to refer to specific people. but we do that anyway because it helps adoption.
looking it up it does seem to be taken from finnish! their word is “hän”, which would be pronounced about the same. i learned something.