• Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    21 hours ago

    Why go out of your way to disprove them, laugh at them, or name-call them

    They’re willingly living in stupidity. If we just let people do that we get people like Trump, so Id rather avoid that

    I can NOT blame these individuals for treading into delusion

    Neither can I, but as I said you’re purposefully ignoring a big part of what’s being discussed: the part where they don’t ever tread back out of delusion. There’s 0 defense for that

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      21 hours ago

      The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

      Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and mainstream media played a pretty big role in Trump’s rise to power. Everybody is responsible for his rise to power, but the facts are facts. They intentionally elevated him.

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      21 hours ago

      They’re willingly living in stupidity. If we just let people do that we get people like Trump, so Id rather avoid that

      These people don’t have power over others like Trump.

      Neither can I, but as I said you’re purposefully ignoring a big part of what’s being discussed: the part where they don’t ever tread back out of delusion. There’s 0 defense for that

      You aren’t responsible for other’s beliefs. You are loosely reveling in their suffering, whether you realize it or not. They are very concerned and are likely vulnerable individuals.

      Plenty of things happen in this world that each respective populace doesn’t consent to.

      Seriously, why single them out for going a little crazy? It’s not like I haven’t pointed at somebody and laughed in the past, so no judgement here, but the whole system and world order is nuts and we need something new.

      If you are worried about people holding factually incorrect or wrong beliefs, e.g. delusions, then advocate for decentralized media, unbiased news organizations, etc. Help elevate voices that help others to climb out of their delusions and fear.

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        21 hours ago

        These people don’t have power over others like Trump.

        These are the people voting Trump in, dude, you cant actually be this dense

        You aren’t responsible for other’s beliefs

        No, but I do try to make the world a less stupid place when I can

        You are loosely reveling in their suffering, whether you realize it or not.

        If they’re too stupid to learn basic science then I reeeeally don’t care

        They are very concerned and are likely vulnerable individuals.

        Ok? They’re also very stupid individuals, I don’t care at all what makes them believe the blatantly stupid thing, only that they refuse to accept reality

        Seriously, why single them out for going a little crazy?

        Because it’s a very obvious and easy one to point out. There are posts about other delusions all the time, this one just happened to be about these specific people

        If you are worried about people holding factually incorrect or wrong beliefs, e.g. delusions, then advocate for decentralized media, unbiased news organizations, etc.

        I also do this. Weird of you to assume that someone on Lemmy doesn’t just because they also don’t respect people who refuse to think

        You’re doing an awful lot of defending of people who are choosing to behave the way they do, it’s weird. Gonna file you in with them and call it a day, you don’t seem to be too far from them in the ol’ comprehension skill

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          21 hours ago

          These are the people voting Trump in, dude, you cant actually be this dense

          Of course these individuals share responsibility for potentially voting for him, but we ALL share responsibility for him rising to power.

          No, but I do try to make the world a less stupid place when I can

          We don’t need to call out stupidity to make it a better place. Expressing yourself with clarity and confidence of thought is infinitely better.

          If they’re too stupid to learn basic science then I reeeeally don’t care

          You don’t need to care about any of this.

          Ok? They’re also very stupid individuals, I don’t care at all what makes them believe the blatantly stupid thing, only that they refuse to accept reality

          If somebody you love is frightened (in a general sense), what would you do? Calming them down and helping to see the truth would be one potential path to ease their suffering. What would making fun of them do?

          You’re doing an awful lot of defending of people who are choosing to behave the way they do, it’s weird. Gonna file you in with them and call it a day, you don’t seem to be too far from them in the ol’ comprehension skill

          Do what you want, I’m not going to apologize for my behavior or take it personally. If my crime is being too empathetic, guess I’m guilty.