We tried to warn you
People talk about Biden’s mental decline as if it matters. Trump has mental decline too. One President’s handlers were able to pass laws and get shit done, the others’ well…
Of course it matters. Everyone backing the clearly and obviously mentally unfit Biden is why Trump is in power. Maybe if the Democrats had admitted what was obviously true from the beginning, we wouldn’t be stuck with Trump.
K, but he’s no longer the president.
How is the current president doing?
VERY STABLE, in all caps, apparently. Because that’s how stable people type all the time. You’re also not supposed to take anything he says seriously, y’know…like every other stable and speaking person. That’s how that works.
Right? Who takes what one of the most powerful people in the world says seriously? If you don’t like it it’s just a prank, bro! Comedy is so back! You’re being sent to Libya or Rwanda or El Salvador for a sketch! Why aren’t you laughing?
Yep an Administration is more than just the president. It’s the competent people that surround him. Instead of having a president suffering from lapses surrounded by some of the best most competent people. Now we have an idiot surrounded by sycophants and sociopaths. This is so much better/s
Yep an Administration is more than just the president. It’s the competent people that surround him.
Yeah, having a bunch of anti-worker, pro-coporate, war-mongers led to people being desperate enough to vote for Trump. Maybe Biden should have done something about that when he had the chance, so that people wouldn’t be so disenfranchised with the Democrats that made Trump seem eligible.
Yes he should have I agree. But I also think that a lot of the people screeching about Gaza Etc should not have Amplified fascist talking points and made it worse. The fact that a lot of these people thought Trump was better than Biden simply because people weren’t talking about Trump being exactly the same or worse is just as damning as anything the Democrats did. And it’s pathetic to see so many of you try to shirk any blame for this and put it all on the democrats. They definitely deserve their fair share. But so do you all.
Which fascist talking points? That genocide is unpopular? That screwing over the working class was a bad idea? That alienating your voter-base during an election is a bad idea? That putting up a candidate that were in clear cognitive decline was a bad idea?
If the Democrats had listened to us, instead of handing the election to Trump on a silver platter, we wouldn’t be where we are today. We spent all our time calling out Biden and the Democrats specfically to avoid getting Trump reelected. The Democratic leadership are the ones that told us to fuck off when we tried to get them to stop making obvious mistakes, and start running serious candidates.
It’s pretty sad if you don’t even know, Steve Bannon said it himself. Flood the zone. For any talk about the Republicans or Trump’s stance in particular. There were hundreds to thousands of more articles or news stories focusing only on Biden.
It was ignorant, if not down right foolish to think that dog piling on the Democrats in the middle of a contentious election was going to change things for the better. We’ve got 50 plus years of evidence to the contrary. None of this is a defense of Democrats or an excuse. They all need to be replaced. Democrats and Republicans and ultimately all national parties need to be outlawed and dissolved. But the left needs to do better, and focus on things other than Purity tests. When both options are shitty we need to stop effectively aiding the shittiest.
Running unpopular candidates with unpopular positions is a bad idea. And being unwilling to call the DNC out for it is why we got such terrible candidates. Biden was the Emperor with New Clothes, and everyone could clearly see that. To place the blame on those who wanted a candidate that was popular with voters, instead of a naked emperor is disingenuous.
As opposed to the sycophants that hid biden’s mental decline?
Biden hasn’t been president for over a hundred days now perhaps you should get a life
You saw the party hide the mental decline of the guy with his finger on the nuclear button.
That’s unacceptable under trump and unacceptable under biden. We can’t make that mistake again. Avoiding talking about it guarantees it will happen again.
It was also unacceptable under Reagan. At this point I think we can call it a tradition.
Personally, I’d like democrats to be better than that.
If liberals can still bi**tch about Nader and Gore 25 years later I can be a little salty over a president that’s been gone 100 days. They lied about the mental capacity of someone that could start a nuclear war, they lied about wanting to protect the lives of Palestinians, and that’s just the lies they’ve been caught in
They lied about the mental capacity of someone that could start a nuclear war…
Oh my God! Biden might fall asleep and rest his head on the big red button and start World War III! Thank God we now have a very stable genius who will start a nuclear war just because he thinks it will make him look tough.
Claiming it was only about him falling asleep is disingenuous. He was senile as fuck and so is the current pedo in office.
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it must be really hard living in a delusional State all the time
That you think the two are remotely similar, shows how disingenuous you are. That you imply that this was unusual or even noteworthy at this point. Implies your ignorance of even relatively recent history. You do realize you’ve breached your instances echo chambers.
I never actually advocated for either candidate. But we told you it was going to be a Democrat or Republican regardless of what we wanted. But people like yourself actively ignored what was actually on the ballot. Instead campaigning to assist the fascist. Which is unsurprising. Someone from a pro authoritarian instance feeling more comfortable getting a fellow authoritarian elected.
We all want better. But we’ll never achieve it. Because so many of you fail to understand the basic assignment or options available. Doing more harm than good in all the uninformed flailing.
Liberals will never get anywhere until they realize their own party is complicit in that fascism. It didn’t happen in a vacuum. Fascism always is enabled by a weak, or perceived weak, liberal party.
Liberals always claim they want better but they proceed to vote for the things that are preventing things from getting better. They’re the greatest enemies to progress, they talk as if they want change, but they demand things stay the same
I agree and tankies like you are just as bad
Tankie is to liberal what woke is to maga
centrists really don’t like it when you point out that they shriek “tankie” at the left while kissing republican ass.
some are definitely sycophants; but i think most are useful idiots and i think you’re seeing here how effectively they’re being redirected by shills and other idiots to the re-frame the discourse away from biden and onto trump; i hope you continue to persist despite their downvotes and their attempts to goad you into getting banned or making you turn away from your efforts.
Lol
“Don’t worry about Trump guys, he’s doing great! Keep up the good fight against Joe Biden, he’s the real enemy! I’m totally a real person that 100% came up with this original thought that I 100% believe in on my own.”
Covert bot reference?
Sounds like a rule violation
Sarcasm isn’t rule breaking.
Doesn’t look like sarcasm
I’ve fought ignorance for decades, this is no different
The current president is doing terrible. But Trump wouldn’t be president if Biden hadn’t been such a terrible president.
Maybe Biden should have fought for the people he proposed to represent, so that everyone wouldn’t be so desperate to see the system burn down that they were willing to vote for Trump.
K, but he’s no longer the president.
And since centrists are determined to keep making the same mistakes, we can’t talk about his mistakes.
Are you talking about steering a ship or randomly dictating ideology?
I’m talking about never again hiding the decline of a president just because he’s selling weapons for your genocide.
the significance here is that one of the 2 major parties attempted to push him as a presidential candidate until his mental condition became publicly unavoidable and would lead to further questions of why the genocide was allowed persist.
this also explains why trump was never prosecuted and barred from becoming the next president and sweeping these questions under the rug to re-frame the focus of discussion on trump is a clear appeal to the pointless and neverending culture war that prevents us from fighting the class struggle that tried to push biden into the presidency and allow trump to take it.
He’s trash, but liberals refusing to see the obvious led to where we are, refusing to hold them accountable led to where we are now
Liberals played their part, that’s true. The problem is people like yourself don’t acknowledge your part in it.
What part? Pointing out that the Democrats clear failures led to Trump being elected?
It seems like people who point out why Trump got elected should be taken seriously instead of being dismissed. Maybe learning and avoiding the obvious mistakes of the past is a good idea.
It’s the part where no one was actually pointing out that the Republicans were the same or worse. I’m not defending the Democrats. I’m just calling you all out for helping Republicans.
Me and a lot of others were pointing out that the Republicans were worse, and that’s why we wanted Democrats to pick a candidate that the voters actually wanted. Your revisionist history is a bad faith attempt to shift blame from those that refuse to learn why they keep losing elections to a fascist party.
I was one of those people by the way. So why are you even arguing with me? And it’s not revisionist history. It’s open history for all to see. The coverage was massively one-sided. So much so that many Palestinians legitimately thought Trump would be better. The only one practicing revisionist history here is you If you deny that. Or the fact that everyone constantly and only was criticizing Biden, if that wasn’t you then why you defending the ones that did? Because the receipts are all over lemmy and the mass media
I’m arguing with you because you are lying. Plenty of people said that the Republicans are worse. I don’t think the coverage was one sided, it’s just that the Democrats couldn’t see how bad their candidate was. Yes, some voters are dumb, and thought Trump would be better, that’s how voters are. Maybe if we could have pointed to a party that was actually trying to fix things, we could have had better ammo to sway them.
I saw plenty of people criticizing Trump AND Biden. Saying that everyone constantly and only criticized Biden is openly false.
The problem is people like yourself don’t acknowledge your part in it.
You will not be content until everyone to your left and only your left is silent so your parties can move right like you want.
You’re not to my left. Not by a long shot. Your just ignorant or disingenuous.
Though please do tell. What part of pointing out that the genocide in Palestine wasn’t on the ballot. And that regardless of who we wanted or what we wanted. It was either going to be a democrat or a republican that would win. And we would definitely just like one of them winning more. What part of that makes me economically right wing?
Sounds right wing to me
Aaron Bushnell cast the only vote that matters.
Though please do tell. What part of pointing out that the genocide in Palestine wasn’t on the ballot. And that regardless of who we wanted or what we wanted. It was either going to be a democrat or a republican that would win. And we would definitely just like one of them winning more.
I don’t really believe that centrists have a preference as long as they got their genocide. As far as I’m concerned, this is just gloating that you have two parties representing the interests of the genocidal.
What part of that makes me economically right wing?
It’s neat how you have to add “economically” because you know that it doesn’t get much further to the right than genocide support.
Be consistent in something other than your hypocrisy. How is someone a Centrist or right wing economically simply by acknowledging the outcomes of right wing systems?
How is genocide support anything but right wing?
> We tried to warn you
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You’ve made 10 posts on Lemmy and 6 of them are shitting on Biden by name. 2 of the remaining 4 are shitting on Harris by name. Kind of sounds like an unhealthy obsession, in multiple ways.
Why not shit on a terrible president, and a terrible candidate that directly led to Trump getting re-elected? Maybe if the dems had been willing to call out their own, we wouldn’t be where we are now.
I see your point. A strong dem leader would have done a 2nd term. Instead it was Biden then Kamala
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Shit needs to be called out, Democrats sure as fuck won’t do it.
Trump admin just announced they’re ethnic cleansing 1m Palestinians from Gaza, but thank you for holding the memory lapse thing to account 🫡
You mean the ethnic cleansing that Biden also supported?
Yeah, maybe Biden should be called out for that.
Ethnic cleansing enabled by democrats that claim they supported a ceasefire when they did no such thing. An ethnic cleansing enabled by liberal voters parroting those lies to people that were calling them out
Show me the Democrats plan ti relocate 1m gazans to Libya and I’ll admit you’re right.
If you can’t, you should accept that your principles made the situations worse for everyone, including the Palestinians.
There wouldnt be a relocation of Palestinians by anyone if liberals had the balls to hold their people accountable.
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Biden was literally dropped as the nominee.
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If we all shit on Biden like you want, it is not going to get the trump administration you helpdd elect yo reverse course.
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I think it is now estimated that 30 million Africans are going to die as a result of aid cuts from the trump administration. Thank you for volunteering them to die in solidarity with the people of gaza, great job.
Biden was pushed out by rich donors who refused to back him after his disaster of a debate where there was no hiding his mental decline. And despite that voters kept insisting he was fine.
Liberals helped elect a carnival barker 2 times with their arrogant hubris.
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Warn us about what ?
I mean … so what did Biden do as a response ?
Didn’t Biden step aside instead of threatening to invade allies ?
Biden was given the same unlimited power from a SCOTUS ruling for any official act the POTUS could not be criminalized. And Biden put aside power and force for the greater good of the Republic.
But then again Biden has always been more a new Cincinnatus than a new Caesar.
The same Biden who hung on desperately until the last minute? Until he was forced out after being insanely and obviously unfit for the position?
The same Biden who refused to act against when a dictatorship knocked on his front door? The same Biden who sacrificed the “good of the Republic” because he cared more about holding on to power than the cared about fighting against fascism?
Democrats refusing to see what was in front of them led to trump running and winning. They lied about his mental capacity, they lied about a ceasefire, theyve endlessly lied. And those of us pointing it out were accused of helping Republicans. Turns out VBNMW helped trump.
centrists want the left to play along when they lie.
They dont want to dismantle things like white supremacy, just rework it into something they are comfortable with, something that can be overlooked
If the Democrats had convinced Biden not to run for reelection (or invoked the 25th Amendment), held a proper primary, nominated a genuinely popular candidate, clearly denounced Israel’s actions, and offered a cohesive, forward-looking platform - one that voters could support rather than just oppose - the US might not be in this mess right now. Alternatively, they could have prosecuted and convicted Trump for treason or inciting insurrection between 2021 and 2024, and barred him from running for office again. In either case, their failure to act decisively has directly contributed to facilitating Trump’s return.
Sure, but that “genuinely popular candidate” may still have been Harris, or even worse, Gavin Newsom. Even though neither would have won the Lemmy Primary …
“May have…”? It was pretty clear early on that Harris wasn’t popular. Maybe if the Democratic party had actually given a shit about winning, we wouldn’t have Trump as a president. But the Democratic leadership cared more about propping up a terrible candidate like Biden than they cared about keeping Trump out of office.
Harris? The candidate who received exactly 844 votes in the 2020 primaries and secured zero delegates? The same vice president who, as of June 2023, held a net favorability rating of -17% - the lowest ever recorded for someone in that office? Newsom? A textbook status-quo California liberal? If these are your “best” options, then frankly, you kind of deserve to lose.
You’re not wrong, but the Democratic Primary is not set up to pick the best candidate. It’s set up to coronate the one who is next in line.
When Obama won in 2008, it was actually an aberration. The party made sure to fix it in 2016, when thet shut down the old Socialist’s campaign in order to coronate the first woman President. How did that turn out?
If there were a primary in 2024, they would have put their finger on the scale again to pre-nominate someone. The only open question would have been if they were compelled to nominate someone without a penis again. It seems too many voters see having a penis as a requirement for the job. So if it came down to the quasi-incumbent, penis-lacking VP against an individual experienced, penis-having contender, then it might have an actual contest.
Good thing he wasn’t running at the end then
Only because he did such an embarrasingly and obviously bad job. Maybe his party should have been pointing out that the emporer wasn’t wearing any clothes, instead of pretending that he was qualified.
Kay, but he wasn’t running at the end? They did criticise his acuity that’s why he stepped down.
Yeah, after gaslighting and alienating voters, which led to Trump getting elected. I feel like he should be called out for handing the elction over to Trump on a silver platter, because that’s exactly what he did.
Nah he didn’t hand the election to trump in a silver platter, ignore the possibility of vote manipulation, there was a lot more involved, including institutionalized racism and misogyny.
Biden did a lot of bad shit, he did some good too. I’m all for holding elected officials to task, but to blame trump solely on biden is ignoring so much.
He only backed out because the donor class forced him out
Kay? He wasn’t running at the end
Because he was forced out by the monied class.
K so… he wasn’t able to be elected, and wasn’t a concern at the end. So no need to moan about him anymore
I can whine all day long, our current POS in the WH is there because liberals refused to see what was staring them in the face. Accusing everyone of pointing it out as bots, or Russians, or trying to get trump elected, or any myriad of bullshit that happened to be the trend at the time. There is literally a rule here about bot accusations because of liberals.
Those that don’t remember the past, or acknowledge it, will repeat it, again and again
Nah, the reason trump got elected is multi- faceted, but Americans wanted him over a woman. You can 100% acknowledge it, but the we tried to warn you is the irrelevant part lol.
Nah, the reason trump got elected is multi- faceted, but Americans wanted him over a woman.
trump was elected because people who would vote for an opposition party didn’t see one and stayed home.
Well, I think being a terrible candidate that ran on unpopular platforms and alienated voters, all while trying to be as similar to a highly unpopular president might have also had something to do with it. I don’t think being a woman was that big of a factor. The fact that we tried to warn you is highly relevant. Learning from your mistakes is how you stop making them, but the Democratic leadership keeps refusing to do that.
Gender had nothing to do with why she lost, she was a shit candidate that bowed to keep all the issues that people had with Biden in place while cozing up to people barely left of trump.
Just because he was forced out for trying to tax the rich, doesn’t mean the guy still wasn’t in the running anymore. Stop sucking drumphs micropenis and get a life already.
The party didn’t want to risk the primary being won by someone to his left, so they gaslit the nation until his decline became undeniable.
Then they kept going for like a week with pathetic excuses like claiming he was jetlagged from a trip he took 12 days prior.
lol, you mean the guy that gave hand-outs to the rich? Lets be real: He was forced out because he did such a bad job during the debate that the rich could no longer deny how bad of a job he was doing. Spin this any way you want, but he got the boot because he was in clear cognitive decline.
He was forced out after the debate by the rich that refused to fund a senile fuck
Is this part of the lawsuit settlement? Is that why they put this piece out?
