• blitzen@lemmy.ca
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    11 hours ago

    It factually is not.

    Factually, it’s not either. Both are statements of opinion, although I’d say saying the word “usually” should have some degree of proof behind it.

    My statement of “might be” recognizes that there are many instances that L1 makes sense, and I agree with the video that for those for whom it does shouldn’t needlessly install a 240v outlet. Sounds like you’re among those.

    I’d say that, sadly, most EV drivers drive more than 40 miles per day on average, and that the moment you drive more than 60 miles per day you’ll have difficulty recharging to full. Most days, you’ll have no trouble recharging overnight. But if you’re like me, you might take a day trip over 100 miles away a handful of times per year. When that happens, I’d arrive home with very little battery left; am I supposed to have the ability to charge for 50 hours?

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      11 hours ago

      Factually, it’s not either. Both are statements of opinion

      It is not. Hence “factually”. We know for a fact how far people “usually” drive.

      But if you’re like me, you might take a day trip over 100 miles away a handful of times per year. When that happens, I’d arrive home with very little battery left; am I supposed to have the ability to charge for 50 hours?

      I just explained this in the comment you replied to.

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        10 hours ago

        I just explained this in the comment you replied to.

        You explained how it’s doable when you drive 60 miles, which I admit will be most people most days (12 hours of charging at 5 miles per hour charged.) Average EV has 293 miles of range currently; even if you arrived home with 20% battery remaining and you only wanted to recharge to 80%, that’s (at 5 miles per hour charged) over 25 hours. Empty to full is over 58 hours!

        At least once every few months we take a day trip to the nearest “big” city, which is 105 miles away. Typically a Sunday. Leave on a full battery, arrive home nearly empty. 8 hours of charging, and I maybe have enough for the next day. I will run a deficit until the weekend.

        Again, I’m certainly not saying that a L2 charger is a must for all people, or even most people. But I would not agree that L1 is enough for most people.

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          10 hours ago

          You explained how it’s doable when you drive 60 miles

          Read it again. I said 60 miles the day after driving it to 0%. People don’t “usually” need this.

          Average EV has 293 miles of range currently; even if you arrived home with 20% battery remaining and you only wanted to recharge to 80%,

          Thats 176 miles of range. People don’t “usually” need that.

          At least once every few months we take a day trip to the nearest “big” city, which is 105 miles away.

          You said all of this already and I already replied to it.

          I’m certainly not saying that a L2 charger is a must for…most people. But I would not agree that L1 is enough for most people.

          🤔 Wat. Do you think there’s like a L1.5 or something?

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            2 hours ago

            Wat. Do you think there’s like a L1.5 or something?

            There’s the option of a level 1 charger at home, supplemented with an occasional stop at a fast charger.

            The L1 charger is not quite enough to keep up with their usage, but their usage isn’t enough to make an L2 absolutely necessary.

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            10 hours ago

            Let’s agree to simply not tell people what they do and do not need.

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              10 hours ago

              I’m not telling anyone what they need. I’m telling you what people usually need. Which is the topic of the conversation you started.