I am not sure who this guy is, or why we aren’t more open to separating the work from the artist; seems to be a kind of ad hominem. If you don’t want to give them money for the work you can still buy second hand or just pirate.
Ages ago, politics was a matter of “Well, we both want to improve the country, but it seems we disagree on the approach.”
Now, politics is “I would like to improve the country” vs “I would like OVER HALF THE COUNTRY TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS because they’re all LEECHES AND FILTHY RATS. Just look at these studies that are all blatantly hallucinated lies I made up.”
One of the most consistent features of conservative “politics” is their ability to get lots of ordinary people to vote against their own interests.
Sure it was nice when the rank and file weren’t cheering on the New American Gestapo (good band name?) but the money > humans goals behind the policies were the same. The bigotry and tribalism and other-ing have always been tools in their propaganda machine. We’re witnessing those chickens coming home to roost.
Who could have known it would be a bad idea to systematically poison american culture so that a handful of old white dudes could hang on to the dream of dying as billionaires instead of pleb-ass run of the mill multimillionaires?
I think this is just a difference on the form, and not on the content.
When over half of the country is actually ducked in the ass because of either poor working conditions, womens absence of right, slavery, etc., saying “I don’t think we should change anything” seems like a calm way to say “we disagree on how to improve the country” when really it’s just saying “i want people to get fucked”. Betterment, even little, of life for those people makes assholes say out loud the hate they could hide in the statu quo previously.
why we aren’t more open to separating the work from the artist
Because we shouldn’t?
We shouldn’t support pieces of shit. Not with our eyes. Not with our ears. Not with our dollars or our attention. Its not like there aren’t hundreds of thousands of other hilarious people who aren’t pieces of shit. Its not like we don’t have literally PLENTY of other options.
That is kind of a weak argument. I think lovecraft’s work is a decent read, and he is influential and referenced. Still, I am not saying we should adopt his work view. JK Rowing is similar. Her books got lots of kids interested in reading and there is a good message about who you grow up to be. Again, not saying we should adopt her world views. You can pirate their works or find them second hand.
Rowling literally uses her Harry Potter profits to fund her TERF agenda. So there is no separating the art from the artist there. The art directly is part of the hate.
There are lots and lots of other great childrens books which will be equally capable of getting children interested in books, but their parents are too lazy and stupid to learn about them.
Genuinely think lovecraft is more redeemable than rowling.
Lovecraft’s work was more connected to his bigotry, but it was horror; the fundamental theme was a display of his weakness and how he sucked. It makes no claim to virtue, and is onevof the best analyses of the mind of a xenophobe that you can read today; metaphorical as it may be.
Rowling spoke to children, made claims to virtue, and couched her most vile shit in the twee and the benign, turning virulently evil herself as the series went on.
Edit: which is to say: you shoukd read lovecraft because he was such a piece of shit.
While I think that there are some valid death of the author arguments, it falls apart for me when a content creator turns themselves into a brand. If their opinions are a part of their online presence, then their opinions are part of their brand. There is no separation and I will not listen to someone talk out of both sides of their mouth.
I stop being able to separate the art from the artist when they start using their platform to push their views. Which is what he did. If you are famous and you never mention your ideology then more power to you but when you go on a tirade during an interview about something else you lose that separation.
Hey internet: this right here ^ is how you respond when you encounter new information after a disagreement. It’s totally okay to admit not having known something before. You don’t have to double-down on your ignorance or go off at some stranger.
We’re all just people, learning all the time. It’s cool.
Anyway, thanks for responding like a reasonable person, OP.
He has pretty generic right wing opinions. In a debate with Destiny, he said something pretty close to “Rich black people commit more crimes than poor white people”.
Personally, I stopped giving a shit about other peoples’ racist opinions on the internet. Call it “outrage fatigue”.
It all began on Twitter. On March 12, 2017, Jafari posted an update defending the comments of incendiary Republican Iowa Representative Steve King. King, who has a long history of controversial statements, made a comment arguing against immigration, saying “[we] can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies.” The comment was widely criticized for being jingoistic and inflammatory, but found a defender in Jafari.
“Wow, how scandalous,” said Jafari on Twitter. “Steve King doesn’t want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!!!” The comment from Jafari surprised a lot of his followers, as Jafari rarely spoke about his political beliefs, and even rarer still with such vehemence.
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In particular, Jafari stated his belief that the United States of America does not “need immigrants from incompatible places,” and voicing his concern about a “demographic displacement” of white people which he compared to the South African apartheid.
Maybe now, almost 10 years later, now that Nazism and Facism just are commonplace ideologies, these are ‘pretty generic right wing opinions’.
But uh, no, this is JonTron defending White Replacement Theory, ie, explicitly endorsing a racist ethnostate.
Its about as plainly and directly racist as you can be without just repeatedly shouting ‘the gamer word’.
Thats a bit more than just having a poorly informed take on crime statistics.
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It is also insanely hypocritical as he is a 2nd Gen immigrant of Hungarian and Iranian (1st Gen Immigrant) parents.
He of course identifies as white the same way that Ted Cruz does:
He is white-passing, but he knows he wouldn’t actually pass any white racist’s ‘one drop’ rule if they knew anything about his actual lineage, so he massively overcompensates by hating non white-passing people.
Isn’t this johntron? He came up with some white suprematist arguments a while ago.
But seeing how we have mechahitler AI I actually think it was a decent time to be online.
I absolutely ignore his cultural / ethnic background, only thing I know, he used to make funny content. He’s one of the old youtuber. That’s all I know, shame he has a terrible political outlool.
Ugh, I wish this guy wasn’t so problematic. I really did enjoy his off hand type of humor.
I am not sure who this guy is, or why we aren’t more open to separating the work from the artist; seems to be a kind of ad hominem. If you don’t want to give them money for the work you can still buy second hand or just pirate.
Ages ago, politics was a matter of “Well, we both want to improve the country, but it seems we disagree on the approach.”
Now, politics is “I would like to improve the country” vs “I would like OVER HALF THE COUNTRY TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS because they’re all LEECHES AND FILTHY RATS. Just look at these studies that are all blatantly hallucinated lies I made up.”
I long for the old conversation.
Did they though?
One of the most consistent features of conservative “politics” is their ability to get lots of ordinary people to vote against their own interests.
Sure it was nice when the rank and file weren’t cheering on the New American Gestapo (good band name?) but the money > humans goals behind the policies were the same. The bigotry and tribalism and other-ing have always been tools in their propaganda machine. We’re witnessing those chickens coming home to roost.
Who could have known it would be a bad idea to systematically poison american culture so that a handful of old white dudes could hang on to the dream of dying as billionaires instead of pleb-ass run of the mill multimillionaires?
I think this is just a difference on the form, and not on the content.
When over half of the country is actually ducked in the ass because of either poor working conditions, womens absence of right, slavery, etc., saying “I don’t think we should change anything” seems like a calm way to say “we disagree on how to improve the country” when really it’s just saying “i want people to get fucked”. Betterment, even little, of life for those people makes assholes say out loud the hate they could hide in the statu quo previously.
Because we shouldn’t?
We shouldn’t support pieces of shit. Not with our eyes. Not with our ears. Not with our dollars or our attention. Its not like there aren’t hundreds of thousands of other hilarious people who aren’t pieces of shit. Its not like we don’t have literally PLENTY of other options.
That is kind of a weak argument. I think lovecraft’s work is a decent read, and he is influential and referenced. Still, I am not saying we should adopt his work view. JK Rowing is similar. Her books got lots of kids interested in reading and there is a good message about who you grow up to be. Again, not saying we should adopt her world views. You can pirate their works or find them second hand.
Rowling literally uses her Harry Potter profits to fund her TERF agenda. So there is no separating the art from the artist there. The art directly is part of the hate.
There are lots and lots of other great childrens books which will be equally capable of getting children interested in books, but their parents are too lazy and stupid to learn about them.
Genuinely think lovecraft is more redeemable than rowling.
Lovecraft’s work was more connected to his bigotry, but it was horror; the fundamental theme was a display of his weakness and how he sucked. It makes no claim to virtue, and is onevof the best analyses of the mind of a xenophobe that you can read today; metaphorical as it may be.
Rowling spoke to children, made claims to virtue, and couched her most vile shit in the twee and the benign, turning virulently evil herself as the series went on.
Edit: which is to say: you shoukd read lovecraft because he was such a piece of shit.
While I think that there are some valid death of the author arguments, it falls apart for me when a content creator turns themselves into a brand. If their opinions are a part of their online presence, then their opinions are part of their brand. There is no separation and I will not listen to someone talk out of both sides of their mouth.
His name is/was JonTron IIRC.
I stop being able to separate the art from the artist when they start using their platform to push their views. Which is what he did. If you are famous and you never mention your ideology then more power to you but when you go on a tirade during an interview about something else you lose that separation.
See also: Michael Richards
in death, a youtube celebrity is given a name
First time I am hearing about this guy, but
fair enough.
Hey internet: this right here ^ is how you respond when you encounter new information after a disagreement. It’s totally okay to admit not having known something before. You don’t have to double-down on your ignorance or go off at some stranger.
We’re all just people, learning all the time. It’s cool.
Anyway, thanks for responding like a reasonable person, OP.
Thanks, I try
He has pretty generic right wing opinions. In a debate with Destiny, he said something pretty close to “Rich black people commit more crimes than poor white people”.
Personally, I stopped giving a shit about other peoples’ racist opinions on the internet. Call it “outrage fatigue”.
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https://gamerant.com/jontron-racism-controversy-breakdown/
Maybe now, almost 10 years later, now that Nazism and Facism just are commonplace ideologies, these are ‘pretty generic right wing opinions’.
But uh, no, this is JonTron defending White Replacement Theory, ie, explicitly endorsing a racist ethnostate.
Its about as plainly and directly racist as you can be without just repeatedly shouting ‘the gamer word’.
Thats a bit more than just having a poorly informed take on crime statistics.
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It is also insanely hypocritical as he is a 2nd Gen immigrant of Hungarian and Iranian (1st Gen Immigrant) parents.
He of course identifies as white the same way that Ted Cruz does:
He is white-passing, but he knows he wouldn’t actually pass any white racist’s ‘one drop’ rule if they knew anything about his actual lineage, so he massively overcompensates by hating non white-passing people.
Isn’t this johntron? He came up with some white suprematist arguments a while ago. But seeing how we have mechahitler AI I actually think it was a decent time to be online.
His mom is Hungarian and his dad is from Iran
Isn’t that right, John “Aryan” Jafari? 🤡
I absolutely ignore his cultural / ethnic background, only thing I know, he used to make funny content. He’s one of the old youtuber. That’s all I know, shame he has a terrible political outlool.