Right but… you know 90 out of 100 Americans on Lemmy didn’t even vote for him and oppose him?
I kind of just read your message as: Hey, domestic abuse victim, you need to figure out your abusive spouse who you’re forced to live with pronto! Their abuse spills over and it’s making a mess everywhere.
Yeah. Right now there’s a fair amount of support for him, disorganization among the opposition, and disaffection after nearly a decade of resistance to him alongside the weakness of the opposition from the dems. Currently what I’m seeing is a fall back to coalition building, propaganda, and other fights to create a popular front from which to oppose.
Left wing violence at this point needs to be sparing and calculated, exclusively where no other option is available to protect people. It’s bad optics and prevents us from building a broad opposition. We also need to quit the level of infighting we’ve been up to and speak to ordinary and disinterested people where they are, because a lot of them basically tune out at the idea of politics unless it’s their side (if they have one).
Even property damage needs to be calculated. Are you hindering their ability to harm people or are you letting out your anger while risking people who are uncomfortable with the realities of the right and their perception of the left.
The fascists learned to hide their power level, to disavow their terrorism, to practice whataboutism, and to play their roles as reasonable people who have been unfairly attacked.
Mass property damage will get perpetrators killed while alienating those who are tuned out. Add friction for certain when it comes to the ability to do harm. But seriously this is a propaganda war of trying to claim the other side is more radical and worse for the people who just want to grill and we’re fucking losing. You will do a lot more good by protesting and humanizing targeted groups and talking to your apolitical uncle about how this isn’t what America is supposed to be than you will by burning an empty RNC building.
Should you be training in a militia? Probably. But keep an eye out for agents provocateur and focus on making sure your people are controlled, stable, and would prefer a non-violent resolution. You will do a lot more good handing out food than marching with guns or burning something down.
There’s a lot of people that talk a big game here.
“Just go in and end this shit already, will you?”
I see the same message parroted 100 times over, but not a single person has a realistic notion for what to do. Should I, an average citizen in the Midwest, buy a bunch of guns, bombs, whatever, and just go assassinate the president of the US, arguably the best protected individual in the world? Let’s say that through some miracle I do that, then what? Couch fucker takes the reigns reins, SCOTUS continues to enable fascism, and Congress is still fascist controlled. Am I supposed to just keep popping off people through the line of succession and also take out at least two supreme court justices, a handful of house members and a couple senators?
We can resist, protest, and fight back against this, but it’s not something that has a quick solution. It’s us citizens vs the US government, Russia, many State level governments, billionaires, and by proxy a huge disinformation and propaganda campaign.
I’m at the point where I think we need to dissolve the United States entirely. The Constitution you learned about in school no longer exists. Congress is as ineffectual and cowed as the Senate during the Roman Empire. SCOTUS has completely abandoned the Constitution, but we all still pretend that its rulings are worth even reading, let alone following. The president is completely ineligible for office due to taking foreign bribes and leading a rebellion. SCOTUS believes sex discrimination isn’t sex discrimination. And the presidency’s powers have been expanded through emergency power after emergency power. And entire departments, which Congress only created because they were intended to operate independent of the president, now have been completely supplicated due to rulings by a corrupt Supreme Court.
We are caught in a cycle of ever-elevating abuse and violation of norms. Republicans are always the first one to break norms, but once the precedent is set, Democrats adopt it to. At this point, we’re basically electing a national dictator every four years; the core principle of the Constitution - separation of powers, no longer exist. And it’s a coin toss whether we’ll even have elections in 2028.
I’m sorry, but what are we even doing here? We have two parties that are fighting every four years for control of the national dictatorship. This has made the stakes of every election overwhelming. And both sides are thoroughly convinced of the irredeemable wickedness of the other. Why are we still doing this? We have options.
Government is meant to serve the people. The people are not meant to serve the government. If a government no longer serves the needs of the people, then that government, Constitution, or entire nation can simply be dissolved.
It’s time for a peaceful dissolution of the United States. Grant all 50 states independence, let them come back together into whatever new nation or nations they wish to form. Let them write a new Constitution or Constitutions based on the compromises of our own time, not those of 250 years ago. Yes, there would be negotiations that need to happen, but that’s happened through countless other national breakups.
And if you think the Constitution precludes this, you haven’t been paying attention. There is a very simple way to end the union forever. Someone just needs to run for president on that platform. SCOTUS has given the presidency near dictatorial control over everything in the executive branch. Someone could run for president on the following platform:
“I will be the last president of the United States. Elect me, and I will grant all 50 states full independence. I will fire every single federal employee. I will not collect any taxes. I’ll surrender control of military forces to the states. I will not resist any attempts by states to withdraw from the Union. In fact, through these actions I will force them to do so. If Congress or the Supreme Court object, I will ignore them. I will have a clear political mandate to dissolve this failed union. And those voices that want to deny the American people their future will simply be ignored.”
That’s literally all it would take. Congress and SCOTUS can piss and moan all they want. They’ll find themselves meeting in abandoned buildings with no electricity and no one guarding the doors. They can pass whatever silly resolutions or rulings they want; they’ll be pissing into the wind. In the meanwhile power will be completely dissolved to the states, and they’ll be working with each other to form new regional nations and write new Constitutions for them. Once the back of the existing federal government is broken in this way, there will be no putting it back together.
Our nation was built by human beings for the service of human beings. If we find that this nation is no longer serving the needs of the people, it can simply be peacefully dissolved. If a president were elected on platform of openly promising to do this? They would have such a political mandate that there would be no stopping them.
Quite possibly. Look, we’re in a state of cold civil war. On the path we’re on, we’re likely to end up in a hot war that will destroy all our infrastructure, level our cities, and leave millions of us dead. We could do all of that, or we could simply admit this isn’t working, go our own separate paths, and find a new way forward.
The US is honestly too big for its own good. There’s a reason the oldest nations on Earth tend to be much smaller than the US. Nations as large as the US either break apart or collapse into dictatorship and authoritarianism. The only way to hold such a large nation together is with an iron fist. Frankly, I would rather have smaller countries and retain democracy than lose democracy in the name of retaining a large single nation.
Big talk for someone who isn’t here.
Tbf, you guys need to sort out your shit pronto. It spills over and it’s making a fucking mess everywhere.
Right but… you know 90 out of 100 Americans on Lemmy didn’t even vote for him and oppose him?
I kind of just read your message as: Hey, domestic abuse victim, you need to figure out your abusive spouse who you’re forced to live with pronto! Their abuse spills over and it’s making a mess everywhere.
Momentum is building. There has to be a critical mass for a movement like we are talking about to be effective.
https://generalstrikeus.com/
Yeah. Right now there’s a fair amount of support for him, disorganization among the opposition, and disaffection after nearly a decade of resistance to him alongside the weakness of the opposition from the dems. Currently what I’m seeing is a fall back to coalition building, propaganda, and other fights to create a popular front from which to oppose.
Left wing violence at this point needs to be sparing and calculated, exclusively where no other option is available to protect people. It’s bad optics and prevents us from building a broad opposition. We also need to quit the level of infighting we’ve been up to and speak to ordinary and disinterested people where they are, because a lot of them basically tune out at the idea of politics unless it’s their side (if they have one).
Sabotage. Slash tires on unattended cop cars. Burn buildings rented by feds for office space. Low value targets are not generally well protected.
Add friction to their operations. Make their safe spaces less safe. Like they used to burn empty churches at night. Let them know fear.
Break assets. Don’t harm people.
Even property damage needs to be calculated. Are you hindering their ability to harm people or are you letting out your anger while risking people who are uncomfortable with the realities of the right and their perception of the left.
The fascists learned to hide their power level, to disavow their terrorism, to practice whataboutism, and to play their roles as reasonable people who have been unfairly attacked.
Mass property damage will get perpetrators killed while alienating those who are tuned out. Add friction for certain when it comes to the ability to do harm. But seriously this is a propaganda war of trying to claim the other side is more radical and worse for the people who just want to grill and we’re fucking losing. You will do a lot more good by protesting and humanizing targeted groups and talking to your apolitical uncle about how this isn’t what America is supposed to be than you will by burning an empty RNC building.
Should you be training in a militia? Probably. But keep an eye out for agents provocateur and focus on making sure your people are controlled, stable, and would prefer a non-violent resolution. You will do a lot more good handing out food than marching with guns or burning something down.
Easier said than done.
I know. Ditching fascists can take upwards of two decades and effective loss of sovereignty for almost a century.
I’m sorry it’s your turn now. But you need to get to it. It doesn’t get better with time.
You say that as if there aren’t massive protests in the US.
There’s a lot of people that talk a big game here.
“Just go in and end this shit already, will you?”
I see the same message parroted 100 times over, but not a single person has a realistic notion for what to do. Should I, an average citizen in the Midwest, buy a bunch of guns, bombs, whatever, and just go assassinate the president of the US, arguably the best protected individual in the world? Let’s say that through some miracle I do that, then what? Couch fucker takes the
reignsreins, SCOTUS continues to enable fascism, and Congress is still fascist controlled. Am I supposed to just keep popping off people through the line of succession and also take out at least two supreme court justices, a handful of house members and a couple senators?We can resist, protest, and fight back against this, but it’s not something that has a quick solution. It’s us citizens vs the US government, Russia, many State level governments, billionaires, and by proxy a huge disinformation and propaganda campaign.
Reins, not reigns. Common homophone error but the phrase comes from the name of the straps used to control a horse.
I definitely knew it was reins, but I don’t know that I knew that it is spelled differently than reigns.
Unfortunately, he would also be reigning, so I wasn’t to far off for both spelling and context.
But in this case either of the homophones works.
No, reigns would be incorrect.
I’m at the point where I think we need to dissolve the United States entirely. The Constitution you learned about in school no longer exists. Congress is as ineffectual and cowed as the Senate during the Roman Empire. SCOTUS has completely abandoned the Constitution, but we all still pretend that its rulings are worth even reading, let alone following. The president is completely ineligible for office due to taking foreign bribes and leading a rebellion. SCOTUS believes sex discrimination isn’t sex discrimination. And the presidency’s powers have been expanded through emergency power after emergency power. And entire departments, which Congress only created because they were intended to operate independent of the president, now have been completely supplicated due to rulings by a corrupt Supreme Court.
We are caught in a cycle of ever-elevating abuse and violation of norms. Republicans are always the first one to break norms, but once the precedent is set, Democrats adopt it to. At this point, we’re basically electing a national dictator every four years; the core principle of the Constitution - separation of powers, no longer exist. And it’s a coin toss whether we’ll even have elections in 2028.
I’m sorry, but what are we even doing here? We have two parties that are fighting every four years for control of the national dictatorship. This has made the stakes of every election overwhelming. And both sides are thoroughly convinced of the irredeemable wickedness of the other. Why are we still doing this? We have options.
Government is meant to serve the people. The people are not meant to serve the government. If a government no longer serves the needs of the people, then that government, Constitution, or entire nation can simply be dissolved.
It’s time for a peaceful dissolution of the United States. Grant all 50 states independence, let them come back together into whatever new nation or nations they wish to form. Let them write a new Constitution or Constitutions based on the compromises of our own time, not those of 250 years ago. Yes, there would be negotiations that need to happen, but that’s happened through countless other national breakups.
And if you think the Constitution precludes this, you haven’t been paying attention. There is a very simple way to end the union forever. Someone just needs to run for president on that platform. SCOTUS has given the presidency near dictatorial control over everything in the executive branch. Someone could run for president on the following platform:
“I will be the last president of the United States. Elect me, and I will grant all 50 states full independence. I will fire every single federal employee. I will not collect any taxes. I’ll surrender control of military forces to the states. I will not resist any attempts by states to withdraw from the Union. In fact, through these actions I will force them to do so. If Congress or the Supreme Court object, I will ignore them. I will have a clear political mandate to dissolve this failed union. And those voices that want to deny the American people their future will simply be ignored.”
That’s literally all it would take. Congress and SCOTUS can piss and moan all they want. They’ll find themselves meeting in abandoned buildings with no electricity and no one guarding the doors. They can pass whatever silly resolutions or rulings they want; they’ll be pissing into the wind. In the meanwhile power will be completely dissolved to the states, and they’ll be working with each other to form new regional nations and write new Constitutions for them. Once the back of the existing federal government is broken in this way, there will be no putting it back together.
Our nation was built by human beings for the service of human beings. If we find that this nation is no longer serving the needs of the people, it can simply be peacefully dissolved. If a president were elected on platform of openly promising to do this? They would have such a political mandate that there would be no stopping them.
Do you really think a platform of “I want to dissolve America” would be a popular platform for an American politician?
Quite possibly. Look, we’re in a state of cold civil war. On the path we’re on, we’re likely to end up in a hot war that will destroy all our infrastructure, level our cities, and leave millions of us dead. We could do all of that, or we could simply admit this isn’t working, go our own separate paths, and find a new way forward.
The US is honestly too big for its own good. There’s a reason the oldest nations on Earth tend to be much smaller than the US. Nations as large as the US either break apart or collapse into dictatorship and authoritarianism. The only way to hold such a large nation together is with an iron fist. Frankly, I would rather have smaller countries and retain democracy than lose democracy in the name of retaining a large single nation.
Thank you. This is a fantastic response to these types of messages.
But wasn’t this why your creepy basement people kept gun rights in your laws?
So what, you want open street wars?