• jeffw@lemmy.worldOP
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    8 months ago

    I’ve said this for years as others online have claimed OF is so safe. You don’t know the full story. It is not necessarily a more ethical business model than traditional porn

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      It’s definitely more ethical in that it allows the creators to get more of the money.

      But that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues. Clearly it doesn’t fix the whole issue of people under 18 sometimes making their way into the industry. It’s not a silver bullet that fixes an entire (sometimes problematic) industry.

      I don’t know who was trying to tell you that OF solves everything about the porn industry, there would be no further issues, and that we’d live happily ever after, but that was obviously never going to be the case.

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        OF take 30% I think. What does an average scene make on OF? How does that compare to the pay rate for old school porn?

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          I think receiving 70% of the prices that you yourself set and deem acceptable is likely better than ?% of whatever PornHub or XHamster say they made from your video predominantly through ad revenue.

          At the very least, it gives creators a great amount more control. In terms of setting prices, in terms of creating content they want to make as opposed to what a production company says, in terms of how you want to advertise, in terms of whether you want to lock your content behind a paid tier or not, etc.

          And 30% is also pretty standard. Google, Apple, Valve, etc all charge 30%. Shit, on twitch it’s 50% IIRC. I’m not saying it’s perfect and couldn’t be cheaper, but it’s the usual market rate.

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      The main thing I’m getting from the article is that adults who try to profit from abusing children on OnlyFans get arrested.

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          It seems to me that OnlyFans takes several steps that make it easier for police and prosecutors to do their job, some of which are detailed in the article. What additional steps do you think they should take?

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            None. My point is that there’s a shit ton of abuse out there. Only a tiny amount is caught

            You said the people who do this get arrested. But they don’t. Only a tiny fraction get caught and arrested

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              I guess I’m thinking about this from a solutions-oriented mindset: what concrete, achievable steps can various entities take to reduce child abuse? For an adult content platform, the identity verification steps OnlyFans uses seem reasonable; even when an offender uses an account owned by someone else, that often provides enough of a lead for investigators.

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      They aren’t allowed, nor is it legal. That’s kinda the point of the article

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        My gf had to submit pictures of her ID like 4 times with all her personal information to be able to post . And I had to go through the same process to be able to be included in the videos . So I don’t really understand how moniors can post in there .

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          The article explains it in one case, an adult woman verified the account and then they posted a minor’s videos on it instead.

          But the article also said that they only know about 30 cases in 5 years in the US. Which doesn’t sound like a huge amount to me personally (still too many obviously)

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            Yeah it doesn’t seem that widespread to me for the amount of people in there . It’s probably impossible to get it to 0 . There is always going to be people putting Alot of work to get around it .

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    At this point of social decomposition, I suspect that rather than being predators, it is the children themselves who do it.

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      Weird way to brag about not reading the article, but ok

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        This is the sentence in the entire large article that person seems to be laser focused on:

        In other cases, minors got past OnlyFans vetting to purvey their own sexually explicit material, police records show.

        It later has interview excerpts with one girl who sold her own material across two accounts. It’s a small part of the entire article though.

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      Really? There’s like 10 examples here of children being abused and your response is to talk about how kids are bad?

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        Yeah I mean I’m not saying there are no predators out there but at this point of a scum society I think the majority of children on OF are not exactly victims of a predator.

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          What you’re experiencing is generational bias and forming an opinion without actual facts. Be better.

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            It’s a matter of common sense… what did you expect to happen with so many abandoned children (without dad, mom or both) with these ideologies of objectification of people and with the easy access that children have to the Internet today. You don’t need to be a genius to realize that most likely the majority of children who are in OF are not necessarily because of a predator in question.

            I understand the lack of studies about this but anyway I believe if you research there will be no information available.

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          “majority”

          You sound like you feel guilty after you masturbate and your favorite expedition was the Mayflower