• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 day ago

    You think as much as trump is freaking out about Epstein…

    That he’s just going after random people who aren’t actively causing him problems?

    He’s simple minded, and there’s a lot of pressure to release more info. If he releases something, and says it’s everything, anyone that might have retained information from prior to Joe Biden’s presidency is a threat.

    Bolton could have literal.proof about what the government had prior to Biden, saying that’s the likely motivation isn’t “tinfoil” it’s Occam’s razor.

    • FishFace@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 day ago
      1. What makes you think John Bolton would have anything Epstein-related?
      2. What about the many, many other individuals Trump has targeted with the DoJ and other branches of government? Do they all have an Epstein-related “insurance policy” as well?
      3. What makes you think Trump is “freaking out” about Epstein? He has said several things disapproving of the intense interest in Epstein, but that’s not enough to make me think that any time he abuses the government to target his opponents it must be because of that.

      This is like all conspiracy theories: you’ve got a pet idea that would be exciting if it were true and so you’re minded to ignore any alternative explanations for the facts.

      If he releases something, and says it’s everything, anyone that might have retained information from prior to Joe Biden’s presidency is a threat.

      What’s to prevent him from saying they’ve fabricated it?

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        1 day ago
        1. Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein’s place. The one filled with video and electronic files that somehow “disappeared”.

        2. If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that’s only possible if every rectangle was a square?

        3. Reality…

        Now, one question for you:

        1. What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake? You know there are real life co spiracies every fucking day? Are you expecting people to just give trump the benefit of the fucking doubt that he wouldn’t pull a conspiracy? It hasn’t even been five years since he fucking cnspired to overthrow the USA government resulting in a real life insurrection. But this is too out of pocket for you? You can’t imagine Trump’s administration would do that?

        Come the fuck on…

        If you don’t understand still, nothing else I ever say will help you. Best of luck.

        • FishFace@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein’s place.

          The “conduit”? Correct me if I’m wrong but the National Security Advisor isn’t out kicking in doors when the FBI go on raids. The FBI is not an intelligence agency (it has an intelligence branch) and being the “conduit” doesn’t mean he has the ability, inclination, foresight or skullduggery to gather such “insurance policies.”

          If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that’s only possible if every rectangle was a square?

          If you said that on a specific day the sun rose because you had prayed really hard for it to pray the previous day, I would be asking you what about all the other days when it rose without your apparent intervention.

          Reality…

          Not good enough.

          What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake?

          I’m calling out your conspiracy theory thinking. Target John Bolton with an FBI investigation is a conspiracy, is a fascist abuse of power and is not, in any way, giving Trump “the benefit of the doubt.” But it’s not conspiracy theory thinking, because there’s no super secret bullshit that only a select few are smart enough to work out - it’s the regular kind of secret stuff that we can infer based on facts and evidence.

          To believe your story I have to believe that there’s a high chance John Bolton has “the Epstein list” and has kept it as insurance. You have given me no reason to believe this except that Bolton was head of - not the FBI, not the DoJ, but the National Security Council. So what? On the basis of such weak evidence you’d be saying that thousands of government officials have Epstein related “insurance”.

          You’re not, though, because you’re not actually basing this on any thought process which takes evidence into account.

            • FishFace@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              6 hours ago

              Why are you joining this comment thread to do something other than offer an actual reason to believe that Bolton has an Epstein-based insurance policy, when this investigation is adequately explained the same way all of Trump’s other retaliatory abuses of power are explained?

                • FishFace@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  3 hours ago

                  If OP is saying that the likelihood of John Bolton having snagged a copy of the Epstein files in 2019 and used them as an insurance policy against them one day being released in modified form is in the same region as that of some random sheriff, then there’d be less contention.

                  It’s not obtuse to point out the distance between John Bolton and a particular FBI raid. Indeed, it’s being obtuse to say how they’re linked in some game of six degrees of Richard Bacon when the point is that the mere fact of their being in slightly overlapping circles doesn’t in the slightest way imply that Bolton both was able to and actually did make copies of evidence.

                  • Madison420@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    2 hours ago

                    No one said that has to be the scenario, you literally just made that up.

                    It is, it’s literally his job to know what effects national security and that includes compromat in fact that’s the historical basis of the FBI’s intelligence involvement. There’s no six degrees, it was his job and history has taught us incidentally and accidentally withholding classified documents is fairly common with cabinet and committee members.