What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

  • Azarova [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Time for the weekly question as to why there are anti-imperialists on the anti-imperialist platform from a redditor who joined less than a month ago yes-honey-left

    • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
      01·
      3 months ago

      I am so baffled since years that (mostly) americans think if you are against us (or its imperialism) u automatically need to be pro China and vice versa. I really can’t get why you guys always need to bootlick one or the other government. Why can’t you not fight for a better system, why do u always fight for a better oppressor?!

      Really grinds my gears.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        1·
        3 months ago

        The PRC is the better system. It has a socialist market economy, one that works for the people, and doesn’t depend on imperialism. China isn’t an oppressor. Moreover, it is usually non-westerners that are pro-China, as they are the ones directly experiencing western imperialism and watching China focus on mutual development and cooperation.

        You have no reason to reduce the logic of why one would support the PRC down to simply being “anti-west,” if you ask anyone pro-China about why they are, we can give you nuanced and complete reasoning for doing so. By caricaturing the argument of those you disagree with, you quite literally strawman them.

        • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
          01·
          3 months ago

          The PRC is the better system. […] Moreover, it is usually non-westerners that are pro-China,

          May I ask where your from?

          You have no reason to reduce the logic of why one would support the PRC down to simply being “anti-west,” if you ask anyone pro-China about why they are, we can give you nuanced and complete reasoning for doing so. By caricaturing the argument of those you disagree with, you quite literally strawman them.

          The comment I replied to litterally reduced their support of China to being anti-western opression and implies those are the same thing.

          Not a strawman at all

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        Your comment reminded me of this Rosa quote:

        “The German government‑socialists may shout that the rule of the Bolsheviks is a caricature of the dictatorship of the proletariat. If it was or is, then only for the reason that it is a product of the conduct of the German proletariat, conduct which was a caricature of socialist class struggle.”

        I live in the US, I don’t see the reason to demonize its enemies on the other side of the planet when my class enemies are right here running the US government and its associated political parties.

        • SomeLemmyUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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          3 months ago

          I don’t see reason to demonize people at all not Americans not Chinese.

          We should be in solidarity with everyone from the working class, no matter his or her place of birth.

          Fighting for the working class always means fighting against oppressors.

          In the historical period we live in us is the worst of them, but that doesn’t make other ones good.

          Freedom of minorities, press, and assembly are under atack nearly everywhere, in the us in the EU, in China and in Russia - but those are tools the working class needs to build a better system.

          Bravo, you checked that the us government system has major flaws, may critically look at there enemies, for they are not even close to the ideals they pretend following.

          Demonizing doesn’t help, but idolizing also doesn’t.

          May try to fight for the people, not for the powerfull.

          There is no system existing on this planet at the moment which will do that for you. Simping for one or the other oppressor doesn’t cut it, even if some are better then others, you need to fight for the people, not the powerful.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            1·
            3 months ago

            The working class of the PRC is the class in power! This is chauvanism, why on Earth do you get to say that the working class needs to overthrow the socialist system they support? This is a deeply western viewpoint you have, the Chinese working class already overthrew their oppressors last century.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
            1·
            3 months ago

            The way to fight for the people isn’t by going along with 100% of US propaganda about its state enemies.

            Do you think that I should be taking a German fundamentalist ‘on a mission from god’ against china and communism as an authority on the oppression there when he doesn’t even speak the language and routinely fabricates evidence?