I posted [link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYP8-oxq8ig&t=1s) to 1960 presidential debate on Digg with the title: “1960 presidential debate. No interruptions, no insulting, no screaming, just two gentelmen having civilized discussion.”. It got some likes but some comments are wild.
It almost looks like there are certain keywords that when their ears and brains detect, there is some trigger which causes brain areas responsible for logic and rationality to shut down.
And another thought I just had that i find interesting , is that it looks like there is plenty of white Americans, that shit on their own country because of slavery, but there is very small number of Germans that do the same because of WW2. Leftist Germans don’t hate their own country because of war attrocities, they focus their energy on stuff like LGBT, immigrant rights etc. I’m guessing it has to do with the fact that in war mainly white people were killed. Concetnration camps killed 3 million Jews and 3 million Poles. As bad as it sounds that leads to conclusion that nowadays white person has less “value” for these people, and what’s craziest it looks like that agenda is pushed by whites themselves as well.
In such moments I’m glad I was born in Poland and that Poland had nothing to do with slavery and was on the good side in world wars. We don’t have any internal guilt feelings sitting on shoulders that I’m sure is the case for some Americans or western Europeans.
Also the only country in europe that didn’t use forced labour by prisoners of war for rebuilding after world war 2.
“Slavs not slaves” should be the Polish motto :p
if I’m being honest if I had prisoners of war of a country that attacked my country killing many people and destroying many things, I think it would be kind of fair to have them to rebuild my country.
I guess one could argue “it depends” though.
I’m not sure but USSR probably took many German prisoners of war and had them work in gulags? Wouldn’t be surprised. To be fair Germany attacked USSR, and killed many people there. I guess we could look at the numbers and take many factors into consideration if we wanted to estimate “fairness” of that.
I would imagine it feels good, a kind of revenge.
But history has shown that the revenge just perpetuates the violence.
Hence why examples such as the Polish reconstruction, or the marshal plan benefiting italy and germany as well, are so impressive to me.
Ok it feels like revenge were real people are actually suffering. Folks in gulags are probably suffering indeed, but there there are other ways of making up for doing wrong.
I agree, sending real human labor may sound not ok, even if it’s not in gulag. But what about reparations? Could be in different form, but something that has real value in dollars.
I believe that things should be fair. That’s why we have justice system and courts with judges. Fairness and justice should be and is at the core of every society. Vast majority of societies have written laws, there are consitutions etc which help to achieve that. Obviously not always these laws are respected, but in general they help to keep society organized, developing and healthy.
And something similar should be for the international cases, but that is much harder to achieve in practice because of differences in culture, history etc.
I get what you mean. It’s the feeling that after all is said and done, you’ve won, justice is restored. For day-to-day grievances the courts, especially one that also does rehabilitation, work fine.
Then there’s pain which no reparations will ever heal. Where both you and your “opponent” have lost.
To me it’s impressive when people in that situation realise that the best you can do is try your best to prevent that same pain from re-occuring in the future and to others.
And empirically, dialogue and cooperation, not (solely) punishment, has shown to be good at that.