Given that you’ve clearly just looked these things up to justify yourself post-hoc, you should now know that there’s no comparison with sham plebiscites in totalitarian countries (China holds proper-ish elections, at local level only, and only for vetted Communist Party candidates).
My point stands. The people of Gaza chose Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group, in a free and fair election. That doesn’t justify what’s happening to them today, but it’s a fact.
Given that you’ve clearly just looked these things up
Even if I did, it is true, is it not? It is not that hard to admit when you are faulty. You can do it, I believe in you!
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No, your point is wrong and dumb. You proclaim Hamas to be the legally elected government which they maybe was in 2006, but as I said, that was almost 20 years go and after abolishing all political opposition. Now Hamas holds (held lmao) the same grip over Gaza as any other authoritarian regime does. And if you are still going to argue that this makes them the legal elected leaders, than China, Russia, Belarus, North Korea and whatever other state you want also has legally elected leaders and your arguing against their elections makes no sense.
Admit that I’ve got what wrong? I’ve only ever stated established facts. Many dictatorships are collapsed democracies. Russians also chose to abandon their democracy, having voted too many times for Putin.
Sure, the current situation is particularly unfair on the (very many) Gazans who were too young to vote 19 years ago. I’m sure we can agree on that.
I’ve only ever stated established facts.
North Korea does not hold elections. China does not hold elections outside its ruling Communist Party.
Although, China is a one-party state so you at least got that part right. On the other hand
totalitarian countries (China holds proper-ish elections[…])
China is not a totalitarian country (yet at least), so that is wrong…
Anyway, the current situation is particularly unfair to all Gazans who aren’t combatants, so that we can agree on.
I think it is clear to everyone else that Hamas is not the legal government in Gaza, and that is obviously nothing I can force you to change your mind about, but I, with friendliness, suggest you think about why you differ in reasoning between Hamas and other authoritarian regimes.
This seems to be your personal definition of “totalitarian”. From what I understand of the consensus of actual political scientists, North Korea has been totalitarian for decades and Russia and China both now pass the bar too (since the Ukraine invasion and Xi’s tech authoritarian ramp-up, respectively).
with friendliness, suggest you think about
Difficult to finish a sentence with condescension level at this pitch.
I assure you it is not. North Korea is definitely totalitarian but neither Russia nor China is. They’re on their way to be, but aren’t. Especially Russia was a very long way from being totalitarian until, as you said, the invasion of Ukraine.
I’m sorry, it was not meant to be condescending. I just wanted to point out that you held two different standards between different authoritarian regimes and that you might want to figure out why to come to a better conclusion, my bad.
Given that you’ve clearly just looked these things up to justify yourself post-hoc, you should now know that there’s no comparison with sham plebiscites in totalitarian countries (China holds proper-ish elections, at local level only, and only for vetted Communist Party candidates).
My point stands. The people of Gaza chose Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group, in a free and fair election. That doesn’t justify what’s happening to them today, but it’s a fact.
Even if I did, it is true, is it not? It is not that hard to admit when you are faulty. You can do it, I believe in you!
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No, your point is wrong and dumb. You proclaim Hamas to be the legally elected government which they maybe was in 2006, but as I said, that was almost 20 years go and after abolishing all political opposition. Now Hamas holds (held lmao) the same grip over Gaza as any other authoritarian regime does. And if you are still going to argue that this makes them the legal elected leaders, than China, Russia, Belarus, North Korea and whatever other state you want also has legally elected leaders and your arguing against their elections makes no sense.
Admit that I’ve got what wrong? I’ve only ever stated established facts. Many dictatorships are collapsed democracies. Russians also chose to abandon their democracy, having voted too many times for Putin.
Sure, the current situation is particularly unfair on the (very many) Gazans who were too young to vote 19 years ago. I’m sure we can agree on that.
Although, China is a one-party state so you at least got that part right. On the other hand
China is not a totalitarian country (yet at least), so that is wrong…
Anyway, the current situation is particularly unfair to all Gazans who aren’t combatants, so that we can agree on. I think it is clear to everyone else that Hamas is not the legal government in Gaza, and that is obviously nothing I can force you to change your mind about, but I, with friendliness, suggest you think about why you differ in reasoning between Hamas and other authoritarian regimes.
This seems to be your personal definition of “totalitarian”. From what I understand of the consensus of actual political scientists, North Korea has been totalitarian for decades and Russia and China both now pass the bar too (since the Ukraine invasion and Xi’s tech authoritarian ramp-up, respectively).
Difficult to finish a sentence with condescension level at this pitch.
I assure you it is not. North Korea is definitely totalitarian but neither Russia nor China is. They’re on their way to be, but aren’t. Especially Russia was a very long way from being totalitarian until, as you said, the invasion of Ukraine.
I’m sorry, it was not meant to be condescending. I just wanted to point out that you held two different standards between different authoritarian regimes and that you might want to figure out why to come to a better conclusion, my bad.
Who cares what you assure me? We’re talking about definitions. Yours are not those of the people who study these things closely.
Well fuck you mate. My field of study is political science and I can tell that yours isn’t.