not answering the question but want to point out “violence is never the solution” is propaganda. examples where violence is the solution include pretty much every country that had a war for independence
18 U.S. Code § 2381: “Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death”
“When the looting starts, the shooting starts”
So… why do we have guns again, if we cant use them since that’s “violence”?
If someone invades my house, aren’t I suppose to shoot the fucker like a good patriotic American?
Yes. I am often an apologist for incomplete but well intentioned reasoning I encounter in the wild.
I try to first understand before I criticize and that has helped me to interpret other people’s words better.
An apology is not a bad thing or a good thing. It is a thing.
There are plenty of apologies that could be delivered that would meet those criteria and also be really mean things to say that do not make someone feel better.
I think this definition of an apology is too far from common usage to be reasonably expected to be understood, and too broad to be useful in general.
If you want to refine your definition so that it’s more than just an “explanation” (already have a word for that) I could maybe get on board.
And, to be honest, I’m a little bit worried about how one comes to equate an explanation with an apology. My gut tells me this definition creep might be a red flag of a victim of an abusive narcissist.
It is true that “apology” is an overloaded term that can mean many things, depending on context.
You’ve stripped away the context (and therefore bent the word’s meaning here). The substance of what MAGA wanted was an expression of remorse. They thrive on instilling fear and shame in others. They loath details and nuance.
Lexical gymnastics don’t change the simple fact that Kimmel (1) did not express shame for what he said and instead (2) reiterated useful details and nuance. Both of these things oppose the MAGA movement, and that’s a good thing.
What he said tonight was consistent with the instagram post he made before all the controversy:
He specifically did not address his statement that the MAGA crowd was desperate to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of them.
Which was an accurate statement, the right was making claims of “leftist violence” even before the shooter was identified, and they STILL are making the claims even though the shooters voter registration is unaffiliated with either party AND he failed to vote in 2024 or 2022 (he would have been only 17 in 2020).
Also remember that the ONLY information we have originates from Kash Patel’s FBI, and Pam Bondo’s DOJ. I assume that literally every single word I hear from them, or any other MAGA agency, is a complete LIE.
THEY say he’s a liberal? I don’t believe it for a second.
That is what worries me. Kimmel was doing good work pointing out to everybody that they were trying to use this to go after their political enemies with the awesome power of the state and their private groups supported by the state. Now no seeming mention of it? We won a big victory , how exactly?
If he is now too scared to address the administration nurturing Brown Shirts to Target critics and opponents and media then that is a major victory for them.
And make no mistake, that is where are the administration is going with this, full Nazi. Luckily they are incompetent as shit but I would not expect that to stop them forever, not the least given the lackluster opposition.
Clarifying his comments is hardly an apology. If anything it’s a “fuck you morons, this is what was meant, go watch the bit if you were too stupid to get it the first time”.
Sounds like he is pretending he said something wrong before.
That the right are using it to crack down on civil society, et al,is true, if kimmil is now ignoring that he can fuck off there is no use of his being there if too afraid to call out these thinly veiled attacks.
How was it not an apology when he said:
not answering the question but want to point out “violence is never the solution” is propaganda. examples where violence is the solution include pretty much every country that had a war for independence
“Violence is never the solution”
Also:
“… the right to bear arms shall not be infringed”
“Castle Doctrine”
18 U.S. Code § 2381: “Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death”
“When the looting starts, the shooting starts”
So… why do we have guns again, if we cant use them since that’s “violence”?
If someone invades my house, aren’t I suppose to shoot the fucker like a good patriotic American?
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None of that is an apology. An apology says 'Im sorry," and none of that says that. I’m glad he didn’t apologize, he didn’t say anything wrong.
AND he went hard after Brendan Carr AND Trump.
No, that wasn’t an apology, that was gloating that he was back on the air, despite their efforts.
Fuck those treasonous MAGA Nazis.
All of it is an apology. An apology is just an explanation given after the fact. He felt the need to explain his actions further.
To be a full and complete apology many people expect all three of these components, but not All three are essential to every apology.
You could argue that he didn’t do a full and complete apology but you can’t argue that he didn’t apologize.
By this definition you have just apologized for Rose’s post.
Yes. I am often an apologist for incomplete but well intentioned reasoning I encounter in the wild.
I try to first understand before I criticize and that has helped me to interpret other people’s words better.
An apology is not a bad thing or a good thing. It is a thing.
There are plenty of apologies that could be delivered that would meet those criteria and also be really mean things to say that do not make someone feel better.
I think this definition of an apology is too far from common usage to be reasonably expected to be understood, and too broad to be useful in general.
If you want to refine your definition so that it’s more than just an “explanation” (already have a word for that) I could maybe get on board.
And, to be honest, I’m a little bit worried about how one comes to equate an explanation with an apology. My gut tells me this definition creep might be a red flag of a victim of an abusive narcissist.
It is true that “apology” is an overloaded term that can mean many things, depending on context.
You’ve stripped away the context (and therefore bent the word’s meaning here). The substance of what MAGA wanted was an expression of remorse. They thrive on instilling fear and shame in others. They loath details and nuance.
Lexical gymnastics don’t change the simple fact that Kimmel (1) did not express shame for what he said and instead (2) reiterated useful details and nuance. Both of these things oppose the MAGA movement, and that’s a good thing.
What he said tonight was consistent with the instagram post he made before all the controversy:
He specifically did not address his statement that the MAGA crowd was desperate to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of them.
Which was an accurate statement, the right was making claims of “leftist violence” even before the shooter was identified, and they STILL are making the claims even though the shooters voter registration is unaffiliated with either party AND he failed to vote in 2024 or 2022 (he would have been only 17 in 2020).
Also remember that the ONLY information we have originates from Kash Patel’s FBI, and Pam Bondo’s DOJ. I assume that literally every single word I hear from them, or any other MAGA agency, is a complete LIE.
THEY say he’s a liberal? I don’t believe it for a second.
That is what worries me. Kimmel was doing good work pointing out to everybody that they were trying to use this to go after their political enemies with the awesome power of the state and their private groups supported by the state. Now no seeming mention of it? We won a big victory , how exactly?
If he is now too scared to address the administration nurturing Brown Shirts to Target critics and opponents and media then that is a major victory for them.
And make no mistake, that is where are the administration is going with this, full Nazi. Luckily they are incompetent as shit but I would not expect that to stop them forever, not the least given the lackluster opposition.
Clarifying his comments is hardly an apology. If anything it’s a “fuck you morons, this is what was meant, go watch the bit if you were too stupid to get it the first time”.
Sounds like he is pretending he said something wrong before.
That the right are using it to crack down on civil society, et al,is true, if kimmil is now ignoring that he can fuck off there is no use of his being there if too afraid to call out these thinly veiled attacks.