• RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz
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      But you push ahead, even in situations where people are stuck.

      And now we’re back to bad assumptions and straw men.

      I’m sorry but I don’t understand what the bad assumption and straw man is when you yourself said that you’re “the guy who takes a shot at a random conversation on the plane”

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        15 hours ago

        push ahead

        These two words completely mischaracterize the situation.

        Guessing you haven’t bothered with the links I posted, since you haven’t spoken to them and continue to just try to find ways to pick at some point that I’m not trying to make, but I encourage you to take a few minutes to read them with an open mind.

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          But you know there’s a chance that they’re bothered by you, that they’re stuck in the situation and you still carry on with trying to connect with them. What wording would you use for the situation?

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            I like to think of it as giving people an opening.

            Make a comment or two that invites discussion. If it takes, great. Maybe chat for a minute, maybe for a while.

            If not, oh well, better luck next time.

            Wo is interested and who is not is extremely easy to discern, in my opinion. The fact that you clearly think otherwise is not surprising, but I do think it’s easier than you give it credit for.

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              A lot of people pretend so as not to seem rude. Also you never know how the other person will react otherwise.

              I know you find enjoyment in it, I’m just saying that planes and such places where people are stuck with you are pretty risky.

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                14 hours ago

                And I will respectfully point out that you seem to be arguing entirely from vibes and anecdotes.

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                  14 hours ago

                  You agreed that you never know how the situation goes. And I’m guessing we agree that people are stuck in planes. So why risk it, if you’re going to potentially be making the situation suck for the other person, I’m wondering

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                    why risk it?

                    Because there’s almost no risk involved.

                    So why risk it, if you’re going to potentially be making the situation suck for the other person, I’m wondering

                    Answers to this question, and more, are provided in some of the links provided.

                    The chances of making “the situation suck” are exceedingly small. The chances it “goes well” are quite high. A couple friendly words between strangers. A story to tell later.

                    Of particular note

                    His curiosity led to a series of experimentsrevealing that train and bus commuters who interacted with other passengers experienced a more pleasant ride — even when they believed they would prefer the solitude of, say, reading a book.

                    It is fear that the person sitting next to us won’t enjoy talking to us that makes us keep to ourselves, Epley found. But when we do talk to each other, those social interactions with strangers tend to be both less awkward and more enjoyable than most people predict.

                    You seem to completely discount this possibility, while simultaneously overblowing the risk.