We read Graham Platner’s whole Reddit archive. The vilification of the Maine candidate for Senate doesn’t square with what he actually wrote in his posts.
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read) and continued to have it and lie about up until AFTER he came out of nowhere a few months back to run for Senate.
But apparently “Woman who laughs” is unacceptable. But “blackwater merc with a nazi tattoo” is the great hope of all White Leftists. Who would have thought that trump and musk going mask off meant the Left would too.
Okay, anyone who isn’t a white cishet male would. But we try to not think about it.
Ah well. We’re massively fucked but at least I can get a chuckle out of all the idiots insisting he is anti-establishment as so many of the establishment Democrats are glazing the fuck out of this man. Basically the same “He’s gonna fight the deep state” that we keep hearing about trump.
I think we’ve really lost the plot if we think effective politics and supporting someone for having effective politics is “glazing.”
The left is a thousand times more critical of their candidates than the right will ever be. We’ve had pictures of nearly every powerful Republican surface wearing drag or changing positions from things they now consider woke and evil and toxic, and this is why they are winning and going to overrun our land with ACTUAL fucking nazis. I don’t get how pearl-clutchy this generation of so-called progressives are. It’s entirely performative.
Person A: The totenkopf on the dude first on the left is a good clue.
Person B: has literal human skulls on uniform (…)
Person C: Many soldiers still use the skull as an emblem (see the Punisher skull for the SEALs) or regiment emblems all around the world. It’s a way of making others fear them and all. (…)
Person D: (…) Punisher is a kind of unofficial emblem and it’s more something some individuals do. I’ve seen it more on civvy and moto stuff than on actual servicemen.
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So… try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream “fake news” until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can’t judge him based on that.
acobin obtained the full archive of posts under Platner’s Reddit username, P-Hustle
So maybe look for “P-Hustle” in the link I provided?
Also, if you need a primer on who platner is, I recommend wikipedia for that. Maybe try to know a few things about what you are discussing. It makes it easier for everyone
When I was in Ramadi in ‘06 as a Marine grunt, the SEAL platoon we worked closely with for the deployment all had the Punisher skull spray painted on their armor carriers.
There’s no question it’s far more prevalent on all the dumbass Grunt Style and Nine Line shirts these days, but the teams definitely adopted it for a while.
That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?
I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it’s not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it’s just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.
I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about ‘totenkopf’ up in a different place, and replied to that saying “oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo,” it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn’t mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.
Yeah. I mean I do feel like it’s good if there is some vigorous pushback against the nonsense. I am honestly heartened and encouraged by how the Lemmy immune system against bad-faith bullshit seems to be getting stronger since last year. I was honestly really unhappy about how these narratives seemed to dominate when I first joined, it has been getting better.
Like a few days ago, there was a “Nazi tattoo” story, and all the first 1-2 dozen comments were applying some kind of skepticism to it or asking questions. The bullshit brigade arrived soon after that, and the comments section immediately devolved into something about like what we’re seeing surrounding us now, but I definitely think political Lemmy at this point has a certain level of bullshit-meter activated.
(I feel like seeing the exact same tide of people swearing that there wasn’t much difference between Trump and Kamala, and they were going to save Palestine by refusing to vote for Democrats, and then the bloody aftermath we’re living through now, might have had a certain amount to do with it honestly. Of course, I am sure it will go through its next evolution at some point, I feel like just deliberately disrupting the comments with hostility and angry noise may start to take over more and more soon if bullshit keeps not working, but that’s just one random guess.)
Yea, I was there for the bullshit brigade, I got completely exhausted by it. I had planned to go to his town hall tonight but I ended up not feeling well don’t want to get anyone else sick if I’m coming down with something. His last few have made it to YouTube so I’m hopeful this one will too. Hopefully he will do another close enough for me to attend.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the “confirmation,” it’s fucking wild lol
“He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck’s sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!” I’m only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there…
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy “little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU’D SAY AND SO I WIN!” It’s so fuckin’ bizarre… in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we’d be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can’t. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that’s only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I’ve possibly only seen in that one “are we the baddies” skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn’t anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who’s really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn’t being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he’s some secret Nazi, and if he’s not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It’s not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I’ve said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn’t actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn’t even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He’s just… kind of “marking time,” it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts “Platner” and “Nazi” vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it’s fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It’s telling that in this new oppo campaign they’re pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he’s both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren’t remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn’t to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there’s a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don’t have to “summarize” things that didn’t happen if you’ve got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn’t ever the purpose.
Not only had one for 20 years. Confirmed he understood that it was an SS tattoo 5 years ago (in the reddit posts that jacobin dot com clearly read) and continued to have it and lie about up until AFTER he came out of nowhere a few months back to run for Senate.
But apparently “Woman who laughs” is unacceptable. But “blackwater merc with a nazi tattoo” is the great hope of all
WhiteLeftists. Who would have thought that trump and musk going mask off meant the Left would too.Okay, anyone who isn’t a white cishet male would. But we try to not think about it.
Ah well. We’re massively fucked but at least I can get a chuckle out of all the idiots insisting he is anti-establishment as so many of the establishment Democrats are glazing the fuck out of this man. Basically the same “He’s gonna fight the deep state” that we keep hearing about trump.
I think we’ve really lost the plot if we think effective politics and supporting someone for having effective politics is “glazing.”
The left is a thousand times more critical of their candidates than the right will ever be. We’ve had pictures of nearly every powerful Republican surface wearing drag or changing positions from things they now consider woke and evil and toxic, and this is why they are winning and going to overrun our land with ACTUAL fucking nazis. I don’t get how pearl-clutchy this generation of so-called progressives are. It’s entirely performative.
Which post?
Reproducing from a previous comment
In the thread in question
https://web.archive.org/web/20190226141422/https:/www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/auy0bi/battleweary_ss/
And, reproduced without edits, Lil Skorzeny himself
Confirming he understands that the punisher skull usage is in the same vein as the totenkopf. And considering his tattoo is much closer to the latter and he outright mocks the former?
So… try again. Maybe argue that him knowing how stupid it looks is an indicator that he always hated the nazi tattoo he had for 20 years and is thus a hero. Or just scream “fake news” until you go blue in the face.
So, to save us all some time: Here is where the bad actors insist that he was just posting to the internet and not actually reading what thread he was in or what the people he was responding to were saying and we really can’t judge him based on that.
What am I looking at here? Which user is Platner and when did he say it was a Nazi tattoo?
…
From the article:
So maybe look for “P-Hustle” in the link I provided?
Also, if you need a primer on who platner is, I recommend wikipedia for that. Maybe try to know a few things about what you are discussing. It makes it easier for everyone
Okay, I found one comment:
That, in your mind, is confirmation that he knew his own tattoo was an SS tattoo?
I do see the context. I see people talking about skulls and crossbones on a lot of different military decorations and how it’s not necessarily an indication of something bad even though the Nazis also had skulls and crossbones, because it’s just badass stuff that military people like to put on their gear for obvious reasons.
I mean, if he had scrolled up to where people were talking about ‘totenkopf’ up in a different place, and replied to that saying “oh btw I have one of those on my chest, I zoomed in to this picture and verified that the skull and crossbones on the right lapel of the guy on the left is the same as my tattoo,” it would mean that he was aware that his own tattoo was a totenkopf which is an SS symbol. That still wouldn’t mean he was a Nazi (or counterbalance the abundance of not-Nazi views he expressed during this big window we have to his private communication), but it would at least be backing for this somewhat different thing which you are now trying to claim.
Don’t try to apply critical thinking to these people, it’s a waste of energy. Just downvote and move on.
Yeah. I mean I do feel like it’s good if there is some vigorous pushback against the nonsense. I am honestly heartened and encouraged by how the Lemmy immune system against bad-faith bullshit seems to be getting stronger since last year. I was honestly really unhappy about how these narratives seemed to dominate when I first joined, it has been getting better.
Like a few days ago, there was a “Nazi tattoo” story, and all the first 1-2 dozen comments were applying some kind of skepticism to it or asking questions. The bullshit brigade arrived soon after that, and the comments section immediately devolved into something about like what we’re seeing surrounding us now, but I definitely think political Lemmy at this point has a certain level of bullshit-meter activated.
(I feel like seeing the exact same tide of people swearing that there wasn’t much difference between Trump and Kamala, and they were going to save Palestine by refusing to vote for Democrats, and then the bloody aftermath we’re living through now, might have had a certain amount to do with it honestly. Of course, I am sure it will go through its next evolution at some point, I feel like just deliberately disrupting the comments with hostility and angry noise may start to take over more and more soon if bullshit keeps not working, but that’s just one random guess.)
This was not a statistically significant number of people.
Yea, I was there for the bullshit brigade, I got completely exhausted by it. I had planned to go to his town hall tonight but I ended up not feeling well don’t want to get anyone else sick if I’m coming down with something. His last few have made it to YouTube so I’m hopeful this one will too. Hopefully he will do another close enough for me to attend.
Congrats. You “found” the comment I provided after I explained to you how to read and then made the defense I facetiously suggested.
Twitter really broke the world, huh?
Still lying I see.
Check out the exchange where I ask for details of the “confirmation,” it’s fucking wild lol
“He OBVIOUSLY knew, for fuck’s sake he was commenting under this picture showing the exact same symbol on the SS uniforms!” I’m only very slightly exaggerating. Try to find the symbol, it actually is there…
He also uses the seldom seen turbo fallacy “little did you know that by responding to my argument you have SAID EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU’D SAY AND SO I WIN!” It’s so fuckin’ bizarre… in fairness I knew these dudes would be here as soon as I saw the post topic and knew we’d be talking about some bullshit, but honestly I am surprised by the nature and ferocity of it.
I looked at this picture the first time around and gave up trying to find it. Still can’t. The far left has something blurry on his collar that looks like it could have the right profile, but that’s only because this whole story has refreshed me about a Nazi symbol I think I’ve possibly only seen in that one “are we the baddies” skit. Feels like it would probably be in some Indiana Jones movies too, but if it was it wasn’t anything that left an impression.
I have a hard time taking anyone who’s really going hard on this seriously. The guy obviously wasn’t being careful with his words from that Reddit account and nothing in there even suggests he’s some secret Nazi, and if he’s not a secret Nazi this is just a dumb fuck up from some Marines on leave. It’s not a good thing, but not a campaign ender warranting a posting crusade. Feels like anyone trying to make this a big deal must be after him for some other reason.
So I’ve said this before, and this is actually a perfect example: The tell for these people is how lazy the argument is.
This dude doesn’t actually believe that this Reddit discussion about Punisher skulls under this particular picture is proof that Platner knew he had a Nazi tattoo. He doesn’t even seem to be trying very hard to make you believe it. He’s just… kind of “marking time,” it seems like. Making words go together in the vague shape of an argument, with a lot of confident aggressive energy and leading to the conclusion that puts “Platner” and “Nazi” vaguely into the same landscape, and then moving on.
I have talked with people before who I disagree with (obviously) and even on Lemmy some people who I really strongly disagree with. Usually it’s fine, we just talk. But the particular bizarro-world conversational flow of something like this exchange is very unique to a particular type of Lemmy interaction, and it always comes in conjunction with some very specific political messaging.
Absolutely. It’s telling that in this new oppo campaign they’re pointing to the same Reddit comments to say he’s both a communist and a secret Nazi. Those things aren’t remotely compatible and it kind of reveals the goal isn’t to present a real critique of his past and they just want to use some combination of throwing everything against the wall and hoping one of the options strikes a chord with each individual and trying to get people to think that if there’s a lot of accusations, something must be real. You don’t have to “summarize” things that didn’t happen if you’ve got a real argument. But having a real debate wasn’t ever the purpose.
Where did you see he confirmed this exactly?