I came from Reddit where they definitely did matter. They don’t seem to hold any real weight here. Is this true for some or all instances? If they don’t matter, what are they for?

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    It would effectively mean that someone new to a widely used community would potentially immediately run into spam, trolling, abuse and child porn and have to manually block a bunch of users before it looks normal.

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      There are other ways to get the list than manually creating it. You could get it from a friend or a list providing service. Or both. All or in part. And then optionally tweak it later.

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        Yes, so you mean people can simply import other users block-lists. That’s the only difference. But if someone new arrived, and didn’t know of one - they would be met with a wall of spam and abuse.

        Moreover, I’d also add that websites have a legal requirement to remove child porn.

        Your system just converts communities into hashtags. It’s in opposition to what this site is.

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          We’d have a default list available, optionally pre-installed. But this is obvious.

          Yes, That is addressable via this mechanism as well.

          It’s simply another way of doing a forum. A better way.

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            No, because the child porn would still be present. Not good enough legally.

            There is no support for your ideas on the fediverse.

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              Your naysaying is repetitive and insubstantial. Sorry.

              Perhaps focus on a single argument and back it up a bit more.

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                That is my argument. The Fediverse has to remove child-porn. Simply allowing to be filtered out by users isn’t good enough legally.

                Moreover, the system you call for would degrade communities as merely being twitter hashtags. That’s simply not how this is supposed to work.

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                  If the cp is blacklisted then it will be removed from the listverse.

                  “It would be bad” and “it isn’t how it’s supposed to work” are not substantial arguments.

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                    No, it would still be present if someone wasn’t running any blocklists.

                    “It would be bad” and “it isn’t how it’s supposed to work” are not substantial arguments.

                    Yes, they are. The Fediverse is ultimately shaped by what the users want. If most of the users don’t want to lose the moderation tools because they find the outcome undesirable, then it won’t happen.

                    You are in a very small minority.