Mozilla is in a tricky position. It contains both a nonprofit organization dedicated to making the internet a better place for everyone, and a for-profit arm dedicated to, you know, making money. In the best of times, these things feed each other: The company makes great products that advance its goals for the web, and the nonprofit gets to both advocate for a better web and show people what it looks like. But these are not the best of times. Mozilla has spent the last couple of years implementing layoffs and restructuring, attempting to explain how it can fight for privacy and openness when Google pays most of its bills, while trying to find its place in an increasingly frothy AI landscape.
Fun times to be the new Mozilla CEO, right? But when I put all that to Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, the company’s just-announced chief executive, he swears he sees opportunity in all the upheaval. “I think what’s actually needed now is a technology company that people can trust,” Enzor-DeMeo says. “What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”
Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.”
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Any valid alternative for android phones to firefox with same add-on support? These idiots look like they are speedrunning it to become a shitty company.
Fennec on fdroid perhaps?
Check out Ironfox
I second ironfox
I tried Ironfox for several weeks some months ago. I like the project, but it was painfully slow, mainly because it disables JIT and some other things. (Brave also has a JIT-less mode, but I found it to be faster than Ironfox.)
Also, it comes with uBlock Origin preinstalled, which is good, but the devs enable by default a ton of lists, which contributes to the slowness. I suppose that if you have a fast device it won’t matter, but on a low to mid-range device it becomes unbearable. The best you can do is disable the preinstalled lists and use one of the modes recommended by uBlock.
I use Ironfox also mainly for the plugins. I have the personal stuff on my phone over Tor since I don’t want to pay for a VPN, and I’ve noticed that Ironfox is a lot slower than Vanadium/Cromite for that setup, which both also have JIT disabled
fair
ironfox, fennec. i have both of these after reddit purged my account
Waterfox but it’s not on fdroid so you have to use Obtainium or something like it if you don’t want to get it from the Play store
Zen Browser https://zen-browser.app/
They explicitly asked “for android phones”
Somehow my eyes decided to gloss over this sequence of letters
Is there a mobile version for this yet?
I dont think so, sorry for misleading you
no it’s fine, I thought you had the inside scoop there for a sec 😅 I’m sure we’ll see an android build eventually.
either way, I think we’re pretty well served for Firefox forks across desktop and mobile
are you looking for firefox alternatives on mobile? on android, you can get fennec and ironfox, there are others.
nah just the OP was asking for android specifically
Vivaldi for me.
It is based on Opera, but is nothing like the Opera company, does a really good job at blocking ads out of the box and is lighter in ram than FF android.
edit: Vivaldi also holds a zero AI policy. https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/
It’s chromium based.
but its closed source…
that wasn’t the question lol.
true, but thats a no-go for me. Who knows what that browser secretly does or what they could put in, well never know for sure…
I get the resentment for closed source and the love for FOSS, but just because it’s closed doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I’ve been a Slackware user since 1994 and if you’ve ever used sg3_utils or lsscsi, you’ve used my code lol.
I just cannot commit to fanboing like that as there’s reasons even today not to gnu everything. Vivaldi has a descent reason too https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/
Vivaldi’s core reason can be summarised as
They put their brand before user security and sustainability. And still have the gall to claim to be ethical. Sorry but that’s absurd. If imagined how it looks from outside their firm, they might wake up. Instead, they’ll probably putter along for a while, then get bought or fail or change direction or something, and their browser will be lost like the Presto Opera before them.
None are so cursed as those who fail to learn from history.
Wait wait wait. Where does Vivaldi say that in any way? On the contrary, they’re pretty damned clear about
Their brand https://vivaldi.com/for-a-better-web/
Vivaldi is headquartered In Norway, proudly employee-owned, with no external investors pulling the strings. This means we make decisions that are best for you, not for shareholders’ profit. We build the browser we want to use, listening to our users to create a web experience that’s free, powerful, and uniquely yours.
Their user security https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/
We strictly protect the security of any and all personal information you provide to us while using Vivaldi products and services. We do not share or sell information to any third party and we proactively protect all user data from disclosure, with the only exception being if requested by legitimate law agencies with a court order.
and their sustainability https://umatechnology.org/why-vivaldis-anti-ai-browser-is-great-news-for-humanity/
So I’m sorry, but your own comment sounds absurd because it lacks any proof thereof.
No disagreement there, but Vivaldi isn’t repeating anything that’s been tried before. Vivaldi is an employee owned company that wants to succeed, wants to offer the best interface, security and features to the general public it can whilst simultaneously keeping itself uniquely true to its values and survival. Gee, so horrible of it to want to scrape a living for its employee owners. Ridiculousness indeed.
I use Vivaldi for porn, Zen for everything else. 😎