Hi! I watch this creator that’s kinda harsh on jewish people. He’s used the term “Goy” before. He supports palestine afaik, but I think he could be a little antisemitic, maybe I’m wrong, I’m hoping I’m wrong. I’m not gonna say who this creator is because I don’t want to bring disrespect upon him. In one of the videos he made, he’s watching a channel called Due Dissidence, which, again, afaik, they are left-wing/left-leaning. Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions. I’m anti-zionist, but I don’t hate jewish people. I guess my actual question is, is it antisemitic to call jewish or non-jewish people “Goy”? He’s said this in the context where the person is bending the knee to israel and obeying israel.
UPDATE: I looked at his instagram, as I follow him on instagram, and lots of left-wing/pro-palestine people follow him.
It’s not a matter of a word or follows. It’s how he treats the classification. Does he treat Jews as a stereotypical mass? Does he think simply being of Jewish descent causes certain behaviors? Does he think Jews are interchangeable? Does he think Jews as a whole are a ‘problem?’
So he’s posted an antisemitic meme before, and he mentions “the noticing” which is an antisemitic term and meme.
Goy is a Jewish religious term. They invented it.
Being against Israel, which is a nation, is not the same as disliking people of the Jewish faith.
It’s like saying that hating Nazi Germany, whose citizens were predominantly Christians, is hating Christians.
Not the same thing at all.
Israel is trying to play up the sympathy card by saying that going against them is against Jews. It’s not.
A lot of Jewish people don’t even live there. And a lot dont support what Israel is doing either.
That analogy breaks down as Germany isn’t the only nation founded as a refuge for Christians and only Christian majority country whose official religion is Christianity.
There is a closer tie between Israel and Judaism than any other nation and a single religion. For that reason, I think it’s important to make a distinction between the two. Treating either as interchangeable for the other is, in my opinion (as a Jew), antisemitic.
For example, I am disgusted by the concept of Zionism and have been opposed to all of the historical faith/culture/ethnic based aggression against Muslim people by Jewish people, especially everything that has happened as a disproportionate response to Oct 7th. I think the actions of the IDF are genocide and they should be treated no differently than other armed forces who have committed genocidal acts.
On the other hand, while I don’t practice any of the faith based acts or observe any of the traditions or restrictions of Judaism, I absolutely love the core of the religion, which focuses (as most faiths do) on treating others as equal to yourself, but also on questioning the lessons of the past and trying to consider all interpretations of it.
Goi is a Jewish word to describe Non-Jewish people. That’s relatively normal. It is not like muggle in Harry Potter tho! It means “all the diverse culture and people on this earth”. So far more “nice”.
If a Jew labels another Jew as such it usually means that person stretches religious rules, cultural norms a bit. Which usually is used in a more playful/slangish way. However, this comes from an inbound group. Analogous to, how the n-bomb can be dropped among certain peers.
With that being said, I think he just wants show off a little how much he knows and uses the word to udermine his competence. Potentially using it a bit off and awkward. From the information you gave (!), he is not antisemititc. Not on purpose at least.
You dont provide enough info.
The Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy has sections on the term got as a pejorative or anti Semitic dog whistle. So you can see other associated signals.
Most truely anti semetic people are right wing so mentioning multiple times association with left wing as tho that incriminates him is incorrect.
Do a websearch for the creator name but you need to be extremely careful with what you believe because basically every public figure who is anti Zionist is smeared with anti semitism. So whoever says he is, you need to look at who else they are claiming it about and see if you agree or they are just misusing the term to slander the plurality of people who are pro Palestine.
Absolutely no reputable source ever lists being pro Palestine as an indicator of anti semitism. (Even if they are saying it about someone else.) So of you see that, you can disregard everything else that source says.
I think we’re going to need a little more context on who he is and how he’s using the word “goy”
It comes from Hebrew/Yiddish, so it’s a word used predominantly by Jewish people, and so not inherently antisemitic. It basically means non-jew, it’s roughly synonymous with the term “gentile” that you might be more familiar with if you’ve had a Christian upbringing.
How Jews use it of course varies a lot, plenty just use it without any particular deeper meaning, just a matter-of-fact statement that the person they’re referring to isn’t Jewish.
Some of course do use it with a bit of Malice if they value non-jews less highly than their fellow Jews.
I’ve also heard it used, usually somewhat jokingly, by Jews to refer to other Jews who aren’t acting in a way that they think is in accordance with Jewish customs. I remember one time my one Jewish friend who keeps kosher (kind of, he definitely bends the rules more than a bit) was teasing another Jewish friend who had ordered a bacon cheeseburger or something while we were out grabbing lunch, calling him a goy and lumping him in with the rest of the non-jews sitting around the table. It was all in good fun, just a bunch of guys joking around over a couple beers.
Again, I’m sure there’s some Jews out there who would do something like that and mean it as an actual insult.
If the person saying it isn’t Jewish themselves, that’s where you might have a case for their use being antisemitic.
I’m not Jewish, I could definitely see myself using goy or a handful handful of other jewish words and phrases I’ve picked up when I’m joking around with my Jewish friends. I might even call one of them a goy jokingly like in that bacon cheeseburger situation. Mostly though I’d probably use it to refer to myself, like if they were talking about, let’s say a Chanukah celebration, and I didn’t understand what they were talking about, I might tell them to need to explain it again in “goy” for me.
But if I’m not with friends that I have a good rapport with, I probably wouldn’t joke like that, I don’t want to give the wrong impression that I’m genuinely criticizing them for not being Jewish “enough,” as a non Jew I really don’t think it’s my place to be making that kind of judgement.
And I certainly wouldn’t be using it seriously to criticize Jews. I wouldn’t call Israeli Zionists goys (goyim I believe is actually the proper pluralization) based on their Zionist beliefs, there’s plenty of totally secular terms I can come up with to criticize them.
I could also see an antisemite using Jewish terms like goy in a mocking fashion, which, yeah that’s pretty antisemitic, basically the same thing as a white supremacist making fun of a black person for using AAVE.
And of course, depending on the person, the tone, how they’re using it, their target audience, etc. it could be totally non-problematic.
that’s kinda harsh on jewish people
Harsh on Jewish people as a whole, or harsh on the nation-state of Israel and its supporters, many of whom are Jewish?
On the nation-state. Here’s a video of his. His name is Rathbone.
On the nation-state
Then I think it’s really important that you are clear about that, mainly with yourself, but also any time you talk about the issue in public. Conflating Israel with all Jewish people is a deliberate attempt by the Israeli government and its supporters to make it easier for them to brush off criticism of their actions as “antisemitism”, and is itself an antisemitic act.
It’s also a major factor in increasing genuine antisemitism, because some people see the atrocities the Israel government is committing, see that Israel claims to be acting on behalf of all Jews, and then they turn around and blame all Jews for the actions of Israel. Which only serves to help Israel’s case, which is why it’s so important we be clear about the distinction whenever possible.
Link him. Saying “goy” is definitely sus and being harsh on “jewish people” is definitely antisemitic. If they believe the zionist occupation that they represent jews than I don’t think you’re gonna get quality analyses there.
Isn’t that how Jewish people call non-Jewish? Wouldn’t that be “pro” instead of “anti” Semitism?
Personally i do think is a mean word. I recommend you do some research and decide for yourself.
Maybe the creator is using it to make people feel like “oh no the Jews call me goy😡”.
Would that be antisemitic? Idk
holy crap because I had an mmo character with that as the name. I had thought I had something that did not exist in any language. wow.
