Gotta say, of those two arguments, Brave’s is stronger
Firefox has forks.
But does Firefox have spoons and knives too?
What about plates and bowls?
Brave is a piece of shit software, created by a piece of shit person.
You have just described most software
More like Sino-Soviet split. The big beef is with Chrome.
Firefox is just Google’s proxy. Proxy wars are very cold war-esque
Edit. 90% of FF revenue is royalties from Google to stop anti trust lawsuits
They’re both fucking terrible, but I choose firefox.
Fuck off with your both sides bullshit.
One is a company trying to drive itself into the ground and getting stopped left and right by the 12 of us who still believe in the mission.
One is a homophobic crypto-scammer upset at getting kicked out of the other org.
Edit: Speak of the devil, this just showed up in my all: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/36237549
Despite the similarities in phrasing, no idea who that person is.
What about Vivaldi Browser?
They seem fine as far as I know. I think it isn’t that stable in my experience, but I’m not aware of them doing anything bad. The only other browser I’ve heard of being questionable (besides chrome/edge obviously) is waterfox where it got bought by an ad-oriented company but has supposedly stayed separate from the ad part of the business. Could be a long-term trap, I suppose, but a trap for like 0.01% of the browser market doesn’t seem that useful.
I think the best part about Vivaldi is that it lets you put the tabs to the side, and also has a built-in ad-and-tracker-blocker, despite letting you install ad-block extensions (because Vivaldi is a Chromium browser). Seriously!
I mean I don’t like that Mozilla donations finance weird congresses on Africa, that sounds like they are going to SPAs and getting a lot of sex with donation money instead of improving FF.
Where can I sign up?
Single page apps?
You can go dildo yourself with your both suck bullshit.
What search engine is that shit? Hiding full URLs in search results is completely unacceptable
Tabs on side and adblock is all i care about. I wish firefox management was doing less harm to firefox, but it’s still better than chrome.
That’s why I use Vivaldi
Oh and this is my 666th comment here on this Lemmy instance, a lot more than Hexbear. Seriously!
Firefox is a sinking ship and Brave can suck my dick
Give us an alternative to FF and watch me sprint
there is none, unfortunately. the best you can do is Firefox forks. i use zen, some people use librewolf, but that doesn’t change the fact that Mozilla is getting worse every day. idk how we can get past that other than having another whole ass foundation that invests in a new browser.
From the Brave website:
Beyond this core engine, Brave has built in tons of custom features atop that open-source Chromium core:
- Built-in ad blocker
- YouTube ad blocker
- AI assistant
Yeah, no. I’ll stick with LibreWolf.
Yeah. That’s where I went. If AI is good enough - it should sell itself. All these browsers have plugins. I see no reason to bake it in unless there’s an alteror motive.
Everyone’s in a hurry to milk that AI cow… Its a shame about the taste tho.
Not to mention that the CEO of Brave is a homophobic bigot. Good enough for me to boycott as a cis het male.
Edit 2:
I derped. See below. Speed reading and alcohol make for a less than ideal combination. The eggnog is still tasty though. Leaving it up for transparency.
het male
You can call somone a bigoted piece of shit without literally including a group who have fuck all to do with him or his shit opinions. Let’s be better than the exact thing you are calling out. I was with you right up to the last two words which were utterly unnecessary.Edit:
On second reading I’m not clear on the intent of the last statement. I’ll ammend my statement after clarification 👍
I don’t need to explain myself to you, but I will indulge you nonetheless because of the message I’m trying to spread, even though your attitude off the bat really sucked. 😛
I added it because I want to normalize that you can support something or boycott something even though not doing so doesn’t affect you directly. You can stand up for something because it’s right, not just because you stand to gain something from it.
It’s meant to normalize solidarity, which we see very little of in today’s humanitarian and political climate.
I hope that satisfies you and maybe think one step further before jumping to criticize so quickly. You did make an edit but it didn’t do too much with its demanding tone.
Happy continuation of the holidays to you.
Considering the edit I made after rereading it - I had difficulty determining if you were firing shots or describing yourself. Speed reading and eggnog mix about as well as one would expect. In short - I’m not here to pick a fight where there isn’t one.
I’m perfectly happy that my original interpretation was incorrect and will amend my comments as my edit suggested. I understand a lot of marginalized groups are frequently hurt and can lash out generically against the group that hurt them. Its not fun being included in that - which was the intent of my original statement.
Appreciate the reply - cheers and well wishes. 👍
No worries, you owned up to the mistake in a very nice manner. We’re cool, you’re a good person.
Happy new years, eh!
I’ll admit my booze and nutmeg loaded brain tripped over the acronyms and by the time it processed I’d posted and moved on. A moment later: “holdup…”
Apologies for the mistake again - and here’s hoping 2026 is kind to us 🍻
Much love into 2026. Enjoy it, buddy!
If you want a low-drama setup: Firefox + uBlock Origin + tweak Enhanced Tracking Protection to ‘Strict’. Brave is solid too, but I’ve had a few sites act weird with the defaults.
Solidly mining crypto on your machine, correct.
And do that on librewolf or waterfox
But there was AI nearby so it’s forever cOnTaMiNaTeD like radiation. 🙄
Everybody sucks but you really should be cheering for Firefox in such a fight. Even now.
Yeah, it’s strange that they are getting so much hate for an upcoming AI feature… which will be easily able to be turned off.
Because they aren’t trusted. AI anything is not trusted. The concern is they will chip away at the ability to turn it off later like Google is doing with Gemini.
Fuck that, Waterfox
Stupid argument. None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox. You should still cheer for Firefox
You can do both
But you dont
I support the Firefox Ideal, but don’t support the new direction.
So [email protected] works best for me.
And Firefox do have telemetry for whose using the forks anyhow, so they know when they lose customers due to their terrible decisions
None of the various Firefox forks has any chance to keep existing without Firefox
Right, let me rephrase “no Firefox fork worth using has any chance to maintain meaningful existence without upstream Firefox”
I’m sure many forks will go on surviving from scraps if Firefox disappeared tomorrow. But they wouldn’t get anything useful done.
Let me put this into perspective, Microsoft (a trillion dollar company that would benefit enormously from rolling their own browser engine) didn’t have the resources for maintaining a browser engine.
A for-profit company “not having resources” usually means that the product department decided it’s not worth investing. Doesn’t tell us anything about the actual effort required to maintain such a software.
Yes, but you can think for yourself and you and Amy product manager know how much they would benefit (just as much as Google and Apple, other for profit companies of the same caliber) and you know they would have the means to produce such software (just like Apple and Google). So, knowing that they still decided it’s not worth the investment, you can infer that the cost would be immense.
Also, all the other points still stand.
See related: pfsense and opnsense.
Its entirely possible for a fork to survive if the cause is supported. Both things can still exist provided there is interest and support.
Switching browsers isn’t hard. For now, personally, I’ll take the fork that isn’t trying to literally be the “yo dog…” meme.
Firefox, the AICentric browser of the future! We are here to fuck you over just like everyone else!
Firefox one of the few browsers that lets you turn off the shitty ai features vs brave the browser that forses shit down your throat uses you to crptomine and is owned by a bigoted piece of shit!
Apparently Brave already does this by default.
GenAi Centric browser that uninstalls itself with an GenAi kill switch :p
(but for real: firefox is nice because its not chromium and allows nicer firefox based browsers)
I’d rather have this clash of the titans than whatever the fuck Chrome does next.
My main criteria for a browser is not being Chrome or Chromium based.
This leaves my only options being Firefox and it’s forks.
Or Microsoft Edge which stifles laughter I’m not gonna do.
Currently on Firefox but might give Librewolf a try.
Edit: I’ve been told Edge is also Chromium based now, the Firefox ecosystem really is the last holdout huh?
Edge has been Chromium based since 2020.
What was it based on before that? When windows 10 initially launched. I know old edge sucked, but what engine did it use?
EdgeHTML
They should open source it.
Uhhh, Internet explorer?
No, the initial versions of Edge used a new engine that was different from Internet Explorer’s Trident engine.
There’s always Netscape…
Firefox and maybe Ladybird (if it doesn’t turn into vaporware)
As alternatives to webkit/chromium/gecko browsers go, I like ladybird’s speed of progress and their mentality of doing everything themselves (no external dependencies), but Kling’s political views are concerning. Servo is going slower but still making progress (fell behind in implementing web standards), and both are kinda terrible in terms of speed afaik
Servo I’ve fully not heard of until just now, I’ll have to take a look-see
Edge is Chromium-based. It’s also not (functionally) half bad, because, well, it’s chromium based, but that obviously comes with all the other drawbacks
My workplace is basically as close to 100% Microsoft as you can get. When I started I figured “hey let’s try out this new Edge browser and see if it’s as good as people are saying” and y’know what, it’s had some nice features that Chrome lacks that I really appreciate.
However Microsoft entirely killed it for me by recently making every browser profile automatically sign into the Microsoft account that Windows is signed into. I was using different profiles to use different Microsoft accounts for managing Microsoft services so now I have my named account everywhere instead of the correct admin account that actually has access to more than the bare minimum. Literally entirely defeated the purpose of browser profiles. So I switched to Firefox at work because I can use the tab container feature for the same purpose and have fewer windows open at once as an added benefit
It’s moreso that it’s under Microsoft’s thumb. See all the tech companies are unreliable and out for you data but Microsoft also consistently fumbles on everything. They made Windows and Office then just stopped doing anything new and kept making their old products worse.
Xbox is practically dead, they bought Minecraft and you can feel the vultures circling overhead, even the AI bubble they’re just funding OpenAI and making slight adjustments for their own versions.
I’m planning on jumping ship to Linux when I make a new PC. Only thing Microsoft I even consider using nowadays is VScode.
You can jump to vscodium if you want code but without telemetry
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I use both librewolf and water fox and love them both
Waterfox has been great so far!
You have Safari and its forks.
Palemoon is another option.
Lol, nobody uses Safari, not even iOS users
Some Gnome users do.
Ah yes, iOS users, famously tech savvy.
Brand Tribalism only supports the brands, don’t fall for their bullshit.
iOS and Android and Microsoft and Linux users are all just as smart as each other.
I said tech savvy, not smart. This isn’t brand tribalism, it comes directly from what you are and aren’t able to do with the OS compared to alternatives.
You can install other browsers without being tech savvy, it was legally mandated that they allow it after them and Microsoft got sued for anti-competition laws by the EU
I wasn’t just referring to browsers, I was referring to the design philosophy as a whole and the type of users it draws.
Safari breaks everything though. Tons of sites out there flat out do not work properly with safari and at this point we all know that’s intentional.
Aren’t the developers of Brave a bunch of homophobic assholes?
Not to mention Brave is just another chromium browser
Not to mention it already has AI built into it, while everyone is busy freaking out about Firefox even mentioning plans to roll out their own.
Have you worked in IT before? Find me a Dev who isn’t a psychopath with a bunch of skeletons in their closet.
But yeah Brave does suck, last I tried it.
About 9/10 of my coworkers are definitely not psychopaths. The last one though…
The sample size is about 150 pure devs if that matters.
I’ve heard 1/10 people of every workforce are psychopaths, but I work with 9 other people and none of them are psychopaths. 🤷🏻♂️
Beating the odds, probably!
They usually promote that last one to management too.
Explain to me how writing software makes you a bigot.
I didnt say bigot, but I’m sure some are!
Literally my entire adult life 🤷♂️ choose better employers or employees
Exactly. It’s not hard to choose not to work for assholes.
Yeah, most people in IT think they are good people too. Thats funny isn’t it?
Just sounds like a way for someone to rationalize being a piece of shit without any basis in reality.
Not excusing it, just noticing it.
Well I’m glad you aren’t excusing your own behavior, but I’m that case you should probably work on changing it.
You should probably not tell complete strangers how to live their lives.
I’ve worked in IT and the worst I ever came across was basically Ron Swanson with a temper. Hardly a psychopath.
Maybe its a regional thing!
I’m in Ohio. Our leading export is serial killers.
I have indeed, and yes, a lot of devs are a bit shady, but this doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be called out…
Brave has crypto minded shit built in, and they “protect you” by running their own tracking network, so they can be the exclusive sellers of the data.
Fuck brave.
Saved your comment so I can quote it anytime I see somebody try to push Brave on someone else. It’s like the Jehovah’s Witnesses of browsers Istg.
crypto minded shit built in
It’s opt-in.
they can be the exclusive sellers of the data.
You just described every single internet service that you’re not actively paying for.
Fuck Brave.
I respect your opinion, even if it’s silly.
Then we point to the in opt-out able donation systems they embedded into YouTube. The money goes directly to brave unless claimed and even if the content creators are against donations for their content (like Tom Scott) it’s never refunded.
Or we point to their affiliate links they embedded in every link to crypto sites for a while. Or the one site that recommends them as the best privacy browser that’s actually run by a Brave employee.
Everytime they fix it in a few weeks and tell everyone they will be better. And every time they find some other way to manipulate websites you are viewing for their gain after a year or so.
At this point it’s not the current state anymore, it’s the track record of the company that just scummy that should make you lose trust in them, but apparently their ad campaign is so effective everyone just sees the default ad blocking…
Do they still hijack links to add their own referral codes?
It’s opt-in.
Yeah, the part that makes you money is. Still have to manually disable all of the popups and icons begging you to use it.
You just described every single internet service that you’re not actively paying for.
Difference is those sites don’t necessarily advertise themselves as “privacy respecting”
Thanks, saved this link.
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