Lemmy’s “Top” is scaled based on what other Lemmy users are doing: upvotes, comments, etc. It’s basically the people who use the site collectively deciding what’s interesting, which is a lot of American politics these days.
Meta, Youtube, Twitter, etc. use what people on the site say as part of the algorithm, but they also examine the content to try to discover if it is something engaging or enraging. They compare it against models of what makes people stay engaged, so if there’s something with millions of comments and lots of “likes” but Meta doesn’t think it’s good content for them to sell ads against, they’ll push it down in the ranking.
If it is Top, then that is what people are choosing to upvote. But you don’t have to browse by Top. PieFed even offers keyword filters, plus the ability to unsubscribe from all such communities while also allowing you to see them with just the touch of a button to go to a Topic Feed showing it when you (rarely) actually do want it. You could also replicate this behavior in Lemmy, but it takes having one account per Internet area and that’s a huge pain. Or you could just sort by New. Or block the users submitting such content. The list of configuration options available to you is practically endless, and nowhere explained in the slightest degree that would be helpful:-).
Sadly, this kind of filtering is (and can not be) the default. And configuring your feed well is hard and takes time. You could also, in theory, do a similar filter thing in the cooperations’ big asocial media sites.
I just remember that it was very very much work curating my feed (and constantly needing updating as new communities came out needing to be blocked), back when I was on Lemmy, and then when I switched to PieFed it became incredibly easy. Tbf it did take me a few weeks to get used to it, but ever since I have almost never switched back to scrolling All.
Even then though, why downvote content simply for existing? Like I don’t live in [insert name of specific neighborhood/town/city/state/region/nation/continent/area of world], or follow [any sports team at all], but even though I don’t want to see its content (usually, I mean like on a daily basis, although perhaps rarely?) I do not begrudge such a community for its mere existence? In fact I celebrate it! I highly disagree with the philosophy displayed by people who downvote such posts that are not relevant to them, harming those communities that are just struggling to get off the ground. I don’t think that’s terribly productive.
That was a common problem even in the old/bad place, once a post reached r/All causing a flood of toxic newcomers (this one more about receiving toxic comment replies than votes I think). And actually PieFed offers a solution where if the mod configures it such, only votes from subscribed community members gets counted. That aspect won’t federate with Lemmy though, since the latter is only aware of the binary options for voting and can’t handle such nuances currently.
Well, they at least claim that they aren’t trolls.
🤔 Although isn’t that exactly what a troll would say?! I say, I’ve cracked the case! 🧐 They are trolls! Either that, or… they are not, or something else, I dunno.
If you go by the metric of “if not troll then why behave as troll would?”, then the answer becomes much easier to find:-).
I usually do Top 12 Hours as my default. And then for individual communities Top Day/24 hours unless it’s a small community then I’ll do top of the week.
Top 12 doesn’t filter all of the American spam, but it cuts out some in my experience. But I also just have bookmarks going to my favorite communities anyway.
Sadly this is not true. We do have a recommendation system, called Top. And it spamms me with enraging american politics when I go to All.
The difference is in who decides what you see.
Lemmy’s “Top” is scaled based on what other Lemmy users are doing: upvotes, comments, etc. It’s basically the people who use the site collectively deciding what’s interesting, which is a lot of American politics these days.
Meta, Youtube, Twitter, etc. use what people on the site say as part of the algorithm, but they also examine the content to try to discover if it is something engaging or enraging. They compare it against models of what makes people stay engaged, so if there’s something with millions of comments and lots of “likes” but Meta doesn’t think it’s good content for them to sell ads against, they’ll push it down in the ranking.
What if I told you that you don’t have to do that?
But how do I get the “100% organic free-range rage” advertised by OP then?
I prefer “scaled”, which is even more like a recommendation system.
I prefer “new”.
If it is Top, then that is what people are choosing to upvote. But you don’t have to browse by Top. PieFed even offers keyword filters, plus the ability to unsubscribe from all such communities while also allowing you to see them with just the touch of a button to go to a Topic Feed showing it when you (rarely) actually do want it. You could also replicate this behavior in Lemmy, but it takes having one account per Internet area and that’s a huge pain. Or you could just sort by New. Or block the users submitting such content. The list of configuration options available to you is practically endless, and nowhere explained in the slightest degree that would be helpful:-).
[email protected] does a pretty good job of keeping that stuff out.
Sadly, this kind of filtering is (and can not be) the default. And configuring your feed well is hard and takes time. You could also, in theory, do a similar filter thing in the cooperations’ big asocial media sites.
I just remember that it was very very much work curating my feed (and constantly needing updating as new communities came out needing to be blocked), back when I was on Lemmy, and then when I switched to PieFed it became incredibly easy. Tbf it did take me a few weeks to get used to it, but ever since I have almost never switched back to scrolling All.
Even then though, why downvote content simply for existing? Like I don’t live in [insert name of specific neighborhood/town/city/state/region/nation/continent/area of world], or follow [any sports team at all], but even though I don’t want to see its content (usually, I mean like on a daily basis, although perhaps rarely?) I do not begrudge such a community for its mere existence? In fact I celebrate it! I highly disagree with the philosophy displayed by people who downvote such posts that are not relevant to them, harming those communities that are just struggling to get off the ground. I don’t think that’s terribly productive.
That was a common problem even in the old/bad place, once a post reached r/All causing a flood of toxic newcomers (this one more about receiving toxic comment replies than votes I think). And actually PieFed offers a solution where if the mod configures it such, only votes from subscribed community members gets counted. That aspect won’t federate with Lemmy though, since the latter is only aware of the binary options for voting and can’t handle such nuances currently.
I didn’t know there are people who go to All to downvote stuff for other reasons than trolling.
I also don’t know why you explained this here in this detail. But thanks for ranting for almost just me! :)
Well, they at least claim that they aren’t trolls.
🤔 Although isn’t that exactly what a troll would say?! I say, I’ve cracked the case! 🧐 They are trolls! Either that, or… they are not, or something else, I dunno.
If you go by the metric of “if not troll then why behave as troll would?”, then the answer becomes much easier to find:-).
I usually do Top 12 Hours as my default. And then for individual communities Top Day/24 hours unless it’s a small community then I’ll do top of the week.
Top 12 doesn’t filter all of the American spam, but it cuts out some in my experience. But I also just have bookmarks going to my favorite communities anyway.